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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 11-17-2016, 06:50 AM Thread Starter
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First of all I sincerely apologize that I came here several years ago and alienated almost everyone. I was very unhappy with the car but I admit I acted in a very childish manner.I hope we can let that be water under the bridge.

Anyways, I quickly traded the Q50 Hybrid for a BMW M4. It has been fun but as a daily driver it is a pain. Those of you with one must know what I am talking about. It is fast. It is no GTR though. I am very tall and large. I fit "okay" in the q50 but not as good in the M4. Plus the ride is just to harsh and it requires more concentration. I am able to spend much more money putting me in a different market segment entirely. I want a combination of fast, good handling,comfort and it must have AWD. I was stupid to buy RWD in Four feet of snow.

So then I have a few questions. Will the Q50 400RS AWD do 0-60 in 4 seconds or am I dreaming? I am however interested in a larger car with AWD that can do that. I assume the GTR has an even smaller interior. There is mostly Audi but I am concerned about reliability. That new Hyundai(not kidding) G90 looks splendid but 0-60 is 5.1 seconds. There are the Benzes but again concerned about reliability. What about that new Lincoln MZ? I do not need such a fast car but I like it.

I am confused as to what my options are. I am due for a new car. If there is anything anyone can think of that is fast,handles great, is comfortable for a big guy that I have not mentioned I would appreciate any input. Tesla is out due to range. I do not care about MPG. If the 400 RS AWD does in fact do 0-60 in 4 seconds that might just be my ticket. I hear they have worked most of the bugs out but now throwing the belt. A larger fast car with AWD would be nicer but They do not seem to exist. At least extremely reliable ones. For instance the Benze S65 is RWD. I just cannot deal with that in so much snow anymore. The q50 is barely an okay size but I am not sure if I am better off looking at something else. I am also not sure if it is that fast. 4 seconds is where I would like to be plus great handling. I guess the handling is not an issue on the AWD 400 RS but the RWD is squirrely.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please do not just flame me. That was several years ago and I admit I was a jerk and sincerely apologize for that.

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The Q50RS AWD is likely a sub 4.5 0-60 car in stock form, but not empirically closer to 4 seconds like the M4 you are looking to come out of. Having had the hybrid, you should know that the RFT robbed that car of some of its performance. From all accounts, the RFT for the Q50RS do the same and you would do yourself well with replacing them with some performance non-RFT. This will likely shave some hundredths off the 0-60 and provide more confidence with spirited drives.

But the RS (RWD; AWD has not been tested yet) is not all about 0-60, it's the 5-60, 0-100, 1/4mi, and 60-0 braking that, in my opinion, sets it apart from the class. These metrics fall short of the M4 (AMG, RS, V; likely closer to the RCF), but ahead of everything in this particular D segment.

If you haven' heard, several dynos suggests that the RS is severely underrated and if those results bear any truth, the car actually has ~375whp/350wlb-ft/tq. There have not been any announced tunes for the car yet, but Fast Intentions have an exhaust system that adds some growl and pushes the power to ~393whp/380wlb-ft/tq...and that's without a tune. So there is more power to extract from the engine to ideally get you closer to 4 seconds.

However, you should try some of the other marques as well to find what's best suited for you:
A/S6
A/S 4 or 5 (especially the A/S 5 Sportback for more room)
BMW 3 or 4 Series
Merc's C-Class
Jaguar XE
Alfa Romeo's Guilia
or possibly holdout to see what the Genesis G70 looks/feels like

This segment is actually pretty crowded and this should bold well for the potential buyer...choices!!! Heck, you can even look at the Camaro SS, Chevy SS, Mustang GT, Charger SRT if luxury is not your top criteria...these cars sure do have the performance chops that you are looking for.

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I'd say the only way you are going to get a good amount of comfort under 4 seconds AND have AWD... is to spend $100-130K:

Audi RS7 (or even the S7)
Benz CLS63
BMW M6
Jag XJR (even that is only 4.4, but a BEAUTY)

Sure there are faster cars for half the price, but like your M4, or an S3, or C63... They are go-karts in comparison.
I think that is what I like about my Q50, it's a nice combo of comfort and performance. It may not be quicker than even a 340i, but it's nice knowing that I'm sitting in a smooth, quiet, roomy, sleek, easy to maintain, honey magnet, "whoa dude, sick ride", kind of car...

I'm still pretty young, but even I appreciate comfort as much as performance. Hence, the reason I ignored half my friends saying "dude, get the WRX, or Pony GT..."

Like @Q602B said, the Q50RS has got some potential, and I think you are getting a reasonable amount of comfort with it. Wait for a tune to come out, some sticky tires in the summer, and you'll be closer to that 4 second mark.
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Thank you guys. I am strongly considering the Q50 RS. That is exactly why I am now completely tired of the M4. TBH, it is like a souped up WRX. If you catch what I mean. Of course the build quality is better but it is like a darn rally car. It is tiny and you feel everything. I think that is exactly their intention but driving to work in this sucks already. I imagine it would be fun as a second car which I cannot do. In that regard $130k is also out Lol. I am afraid Audi is not terribly reliable. I thought the MKZ interior felt cheap where Hyundai's actually was nice! I could wait for the g70 see if they stick in an AWD v8. That would probably be great. I feel they are highly underrated and would not be ashamed in the least. I guess if I buy right now it is between the 340I or the Q50 RS. With a big edge going to the Q50. I see they worked out all the issues with DAS, screen lockups Etc. So it might be ready now. It was honestly a lovely car but unfortunately after a couple of months one thing went wrong after the other. I read this is all fixed. I think the q50 is also bigger than the 340I so that gives it an edge. Mustang is not my cup of tea or I would just get the Shelby Lol. I wanted 0-60 and comfort. If I can easily get it to 393WHP that is good enough.

I will let you guys know what I get. I really appreciate the suggestions.
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I realized you are right. 4 seconds + comfort is not easily obtainable. I tried the RS7. Good size car but seats not made for a big guy. Heavily bolstered for obvious reasons. I also realized if the Q50 RS does 4.2-4.3 in AWD guise it is no slouch. It would be faster than the GS-F then. If I can easily bump it bump it up to 393WHP AS I said it is plenty good enough. Stil way less money than something I would really like but cannot afford. Probably even les than I spent on a nearly loaded M4. The M4 is honestly very odd to me. I would think only people that drive to work could afford it. Save for kids who's Father is a Surgeon/Attorney. The thing is like myself I would think the former folks would quickly grow tired of it. I am honestly torn if I would go for all out luxury forgetting the 0-60 and get the G90 or get the Q%0. I imagine the Q%0 at this point is probably better built but Hyundai is really up there now. Plus 5 seconds is not exactly slow. I seriously think it is a much nicer car than the S550 for twice the price loaded. A lot of high end cars are only around 5 seconds quite frankly. It is between those two. Completely different but I need to decide what direction I want to go in. TBH, it is probably going to be the Q50 with the bolt ons. I figure that wil put it very close to the M4 and a lot more comfortable. I can say the hybrid was a different level of comfort than the M4 and the Rs is the same thing. It is big enough. I think I would probably find the Hyundai much too big. Now I just have to try to make a deal on it. These guys are very stern about price at the two dealerships that exist within 20 miles of me. I am in the middle of nowhere.
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Well I'll throw my two bits in.. The RS 400 from the dynos I've seen is close to 400hp at the wheels. I drove one yesterday and it doesn't bend time and space the way a Superbike does, LoL but it's damed fast!

Personally if I was looking at say up to 75K MSRP I'd look at the S4.. except the new one isn't out yet :-( The S6 is also amazing but I think it puts you over your ceiling.. I'm not a fan of BMW cars.. the Big ones are nice an M5 would be sweet.. The smaller ones are in some areas are almost generic..

The only real advise I can give is drive the ones you really like.. And keep in mind ALL EUROPEAN cars break..You really do not want to own a MB, BMW, Audi etc once they're out of warranty, (unless you have deep pockets) there's a reason the resale value on euro cars takes a huge drive after 4 years.. Maybe you could find a deal on a really nice CPO Audi RS something .. That would give you a 100K of warranty?

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it's damed fast

Ah, yes, there's nothing like a fast dame.

And the RS may be DAMNED fast, but I like the idea that I have 360 hp, AND pass a lot more gas stations than an RS will.
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If it is 400WHP stock in AWD no need for an upgrade. That is good enough for me! That is all the M4 really is if that but it is way lighter. You pay a price for that too. Among other things. The thing honestly feels like a go-kart. I cannot afford a M5.. If I can get used to the seats in the RS7 perhaps a CPO is an option. I mean people would take care of that car. Plus as you said 100k mile warranty. I could sell it in Three years and not lose my shirt. Seriously though I think the Q50 is great now with the RS. Of course it is not a superbike Lol. Not even the M5 is a superbike. The Hyundai I would have to lease as they plummet used. Too big anyways. I think the Q50 RS is probably the best thing now. With that, $75k really does not buy you much more unless I do find a CPO RS7. I would absolutely not own that after the warranty. I do not mind the gas station though.
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Is the S6 even faster than the Q50 RS AWd? I don't think it is so great. I actually like the Q50 much more. The RS7 is a different story but that would have to be CPO. Even then I do not know if it is under 78 grand which is my limit. I feel you can actually shop the Q50 RS AWd against a lot of $75k cars. It is a very nice car IMO. The S4 is too small but maybe faster than the S6? The C63 is not my cup of tea either. It would be the M4 all over again I think. If this thing is really 400WHp I think I pretty much made my decision. Of course I have yet to have driven it. The Hybrid was not by any means slow and the RS should be a good deal faster. I imagine the boost puts you right back in the seat. I honestly loved the car until it broke left and right but I hear that is all fixed now so I am thinking this is the ticket.

Okay so now I have a question. I would be buying in Illinois so have to finance the tax. If I Get the best deal I can on a completely loaded one(which is what?) Zero down, just first payment and security. 12k miles a year. What kind of lease payment should I expect. Is now a good time or wait? I am obviously paying much less than the M4 was and my wallet will thank me for that. I own the M4 but I do not want to put any money down on a lease. I am sure it is pretty reasonable anyways. Thanks guys.


Edit: Still need lease numbers please. However the Audi S6 should be slightly slower than the Q50 RS AWD. That with a 450BHP Turbo V8. As I said the Q50 RS is changing the game. I actually think it is a nicer car loaded at less than $60k to the loaded S6 at $90k. A few features are available I will not miss. I hate the Dash mounted Navi in the Audi's. Looks like an aftermarket headunit. The Q50 with dual screens flush mounted is simply much nicer IMO. I think overall you get more technology with the Q50 even if it lacks some of the Aforementioned options I mentioned. I wish it had cooled seats but honestly that is of little use in most vehicles. Except Lexus which actually has refrigeration. I am pretty much sold on this. Just need to know what kind of deal I can expect. Without knowing, of course they have the upper hand and will take the liberty to make as much as they can. Thank you guy's

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Big guy with a big budget and already part of the family......and desires all wheel drive. BMW X5 or X6 M. Sub 4 second 0-60, rips the quarter in low 12's and can carry a load! Just my take on it.

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