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The general consensus on the facebook forum is that the 3.0 non-RS is about an equal to the 3.7.

A couple of things could be in play here - those 'big' 19's on your S are HEAVY. You mention the 3.0 had little 17s - but I am betting they are far lighter than the 19s. People don't seem to get how much heavy wheels/tires impact performance in every way.

I've had a few informal runs against a Silver Sport - (I have a '15) - they pull away just a bit from the start, but the 3.7 reels them in in the upper reaches of the tach. Having said that - you can modify/tune the 3.0t into a monster relatively easily...not so much with the 3.7.

Anyway - enjoy both. Neither are a slouch when compared to most other cars on the road...

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dude, here i thought you were driving a 3.0tt RS
Really? I wish.

They were a little rich for my blood. By blood, I mean wallet. More accurately my wife's pocketbook. She didn't think we needed such a nice car, even the preimium at such a great discount was almost a bridge too far.

I hoping the puppy dog close technique works on her two years from now:

For example, the pet store salesperson tells you that you can take the puppy home with you and if you don't like it, just bring it back. So what happens? You take the puppy with you, you play with him and run around outside with him, he licks your nose in the morning and waits for you faithfully at the door at the end of the day. And the sale is made. Not by the salesperson, but by the puppy.

Maybe she'll still like it so much, she'll want to re-up with a nice RS. I don't think there's any way the next gen will be out then and I'd hate to be stuck with the last year of an old design though.

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what is your basis for saying they are fudging the HP and torque numbers other than guessing?
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The general consensus on the facebook forum is that the 3.0 non-RS is about an equal to the 3.7.

A couple of things could be in play here - those 'big' 19's on your S are HEAVY. You mention the 3.0 had little 17s - but I am betting they are far lighter than the 19s. People don't seem to get how much heavy wheels/tires impact performance in every way.

I've had a few informal runs against a Silver Sport - (I have a '15) - they pull away just a bit from the start, but the 3.7 reels them in in the upper reaches of the tach. Having said that - you can modify/tune the 3.0t into a monster relatively easily...not so much with the 3.7.

Anyway - enjoy both. Neither are a slouch when compared to most other cars on the road...
Guilty as charged; never considered the extra wheel weight.
From what I have gathered, the 3.0TT is harder to mod/tune than the 3.7.
Do I have that backward ?
How ?

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The 3.0T's are underrated from the factory. They actually put down as much, if not more, horsepower than the 3.7 and more torque. Infiniti took a page out of BMW's book. Enjoy the ride
I can attest to the 'torque' part.
It is easily noticed.
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what is your basis for saying they are fudging the HP and torque numbers other than guessing?
If your question is directed at me, there are MANY sources online about the Q50 being underrated from the factory in both 3.0T engines. Just do a search and you'll find them.

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Just out of curiosity, why do car manufacturers purposefully underrate their cars' power? What do they get out of this?
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Just out of curiosity, why do car manufacturers purposefully underrate their cars' power? What do they get out of this?
Protection from lawsuits. There can be a lot of variation in manufacturing and tolerances. If you rate the engine based on best case scenario then you are asking for trouble if customers discover their engine can't achieve what is being listed as the rating.
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Just out of curiosity, why do car manufacturers purposefully underrate their cars' power? What do they get out of this?
That's a good question. I would think that a manufacturer would want to claim numbers as close to actual as possible, but perhaps it's mainly due to testing methods. This is just a guess, but engines are tested (at the factory) for power outside of the vehicle using just the intake(s) and exhaust (not accounting for the other drivetrain components). Also, there have also been lawsuits in the past where vehicles do not produce the power that was advertised (Tesla and Chevrolet are the first to come to mind). Perhaps it's a safe way for the manufacturer to cover their butts. Lower numbers than advertised creates many issues, but I doubt anyone would be mad if their vehicle makes more power.
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@damonb10 beat me to it haha

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