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JasonH, (or any one else "In the know")

Can you please provide a comprehensive breakdown of the August lease numbers for us?

There have been a couple different Money Factors thrown out on here.
And if there is a difference for Hybrid and Gas.
I was quoted .00135 (gasser)

For Residuals - can you at maybe provide the 36 and 39 month #'s (most popular)
To include all variants, ie: Premium / Sport / Hybrid
For maybe 12K and 15K miles (again, most popular).

Much appreciated, by all - I am sure. Maybe we can do this every month?
 

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JasonH, (or any one else "In the know")

Can you please provide a comprehensive breakdown of the August lease numbers for us?

There have been a couple different Money Factors thrown out on here.
And if there is a difference for Hybrid and Gas.
I was quoted .00135 (gasser)

For Residuals - can you at maybe provide the 36 and 39 month #'s (most popular)
To include all variants, ie: Premium / Sport / Hybrid
For maybe 12K and 15K miles (again, most popular).

Much appreciated, by all - I am sure. Maybe we can do this every month?
I can run something specific.. but with all the config's that would take forever for me to post from my phone lol.. everybody has the right residual and money factors though
 

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I can run something specific.. but with all the config's that would take forever for me to post from my phone lol.. everybody has the right residual and money factors though
LOL, I hear ya.

So then how about this these 2 configs then?

@ 39 month & 15K miles

Residuals for both Premium and Sport (I was told they are different)
 

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LOL, I hear ya.

So then how about this these 2 configs then?

@ 39 month & 15K miles

Residuals for both Premium and Sport (I was told they are different)
Hybrid Sport, 39 months --> 15K miles: 58%; 12K miles: 60%; 10K miles: 61%
Gas Sport, 39 months --> 15K miles: 56%; 12K miles: 58%; 10K miles: 59%

Non-sport models are 1% better (lower).

Money factors are ~ .00137 for non-hybrid, and .00157 for hybrid (700+ FICA)
 

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These money factors are horrible for 'top tier'. This is over 3.25%. You can buy new cars at top tier for well under 2%.

For those not aware, multiply the money factor by 2400. This will give you the APR.
 
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Just left my dealer here in AZ; he quoted a MF of .00175 and residual of 58 on a RWD Hybrid. Also claimed to have no knowledge of MSDs and said "I have done thousands of leases." I pushed and he promised to ask the finance team tomorrow morning.

Also they had all of the Q50's in the garage so that they could be inspected by Infiniti tomorrow.
 

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Just left my dealer here in AZ; he quoted a MF of .00175 and residual of 58 on a RWD Hybrid. Also claimed to have no knowledge of MSDs and said "I have done thousands of leases." I pushed and he promised to ask the finance team tomorrow morning.

Also they had all of the Q50's in the garage so that they could be inspected by Infiniti tomorrow.
My dealer rep, manager nor finance manager knew of MSDs either until I called IFS myself and then had them call to get an explanation.

So your dealer wasn't aware of a delay like some have received today?
 

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So it looks like Infiniti is not subsidizing the residuals on the sports. AWD is also lower than RWD.

To me, it just feels like they are trying to squeeze every penny of profit out of the higher priced cars while trying to keep the base models with better leases to keep them more attractive.

I don't think an AWD Sport will be worth less than a RWD Premium in 39 months. I just think they are subsidizing the lesser equipped cars. It stinks but I don't blame them. A few years ago the residuals on cars with Nav were usually 1% lower in resdidual if you can believe that.

I've never returned an Infiniti with equity after a lease so I think it is definitely more of the subsidies than the actual projected value.

I saw the lease numbers for the Q last week (unfortunately can't remember too many details) and they were 2 pages of grids.

The grids were broken out by credit scores for the money factors and gas vs. hybrid. Each one had the residuals and highest residuals were for RWD, then AWD, then AWD Sport in declining numbers.

Again, I think it's the price for early adopters.

Now that I've been waiting this long, I'm not so sure I want to pay such a premium to get one early. I think Infiniti may have made some serious mistakes testing the patience of some of those early adopters - myself included. Once you make the wait too long, a little longer to save some $$ doesn't seem like such a big deal.

Lets see what happens this week with the proposed release and any new numbers.
 

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My dealer rep, manager nor finance manager knew of MSDs either until I called IFS myself and then had them call to get an explanation.

So your dealer wasn't aware of a delay like some have received today?
Wow, you just need to go to another dealer, but I'm sure that would mean it's further away, but still might be worth it as your current dealer seems like they are not only idiots but non-trustworthy and slick. Sorry.:(
 

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Now that I've been waiting this long, I'm not so sure I want to pay such a premium to get one early. I think Infiniti may have made some serious mistakes testing the patience of some of those early adopters - myself included. Once you make the wait too long, a little longer to save some $$ doesn't seem like such a big deal.

Lets see what happens this week with the proposed release and any new numbers.
All this extra waiting is doing is giving me time to second-guess myself on my preorder and go test drive other cars. Their introductory lease rates are pretty ugly compared to the fire-sale leases Lexus is offering on their 2013 GS350, so that doesn't help either.

You'd think with July's sales numbers they'd be chomping at the bit to lease these out quickly, especially considering the record number of preorders, where people decided they wanted them *sight unseen* and put their name on the list. You know the dealers are already mad because they launched these late and some keep getting delayed. 3rd quarter started a month ago and, if the original July 4th/5th launch date is to be believed, that puts the dealers a month behind on sales.

Overall I'm kinda thankful it didn't launch in July because I wouldn't have had time to look around at comparable models. Don't get me wrong, I've driven 2 of them and am in love with the styling and interior, but there is the financial side of things to consider as well. I can afford a high-ish payment on a lease, but with no equity at the end, the more I eat, the more I lose (which is one good reason to not put a big downpayment on a lease).
 

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All this extra waiting is doing is giving me time to second-guess myself on my preorder and go test drive other cars. Their introductory lease rates are pretty ugly compared to the fire-sale leases Lexus is offering on their 2013 GS350, so that doesn't help either.

You'd think with July's sales numbers they'd be chomping at the bit to lease these out quickly, especially considering the record number of preorders, where people decided they wanted them *sight unseen* and put their name on the list. You know the dealers are already mad because they launched these late and some keep getting delayed. 3rd quarter started a month ago and, if the original July 4th/5th launch date is to be believed, that puts the dealers a month behind on sales.

Overall I'm kinda thankful it didn't launch in July because I wouldn't have had time to look around at comparable models. Don't get me wrong, I've driven 2 of them and am in love with the styling and interior, but there is the financial side of things to consider as well. I can afford a high-ish payment on a lease, but with no equity at the end, the more I eat, the more I lose (which is one good reason to not put a big downpayment on a lease).
I agree with you, unfortunately. My lease with Infiniti expires October 1. My pre-order - placed the 2nd day Infiniti allowed pre-orders - is still not at the dealer. Aside from the poor handling of this release and attempting to mask it from the media, I too am starting to have second thoughts. I haven't participated in a pre-order vehicle process before and hate the thought of paying a premium just to get it 'first'. Thanks to this forum and its participants, I'm now aware of MSDs and the VPP program. That and the loyalty credit will make this a bit easier to digest. However, I'm not up for a money factor that is insulting at best.

So with this delay, one has time to pause and ponder since the hype for us enthusiasts has now past. I am going to go test drive a couple of alternatives this week while continuing to wait.
 
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