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What a piss-poor article, and clearly written by a left wing liberal. Makes me pissed off that I just subscribed to Car and Driver.
 

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I seriously cannot understand the hate on the DAS! It's frustrating to read how much these people hate it, and the way this guy wrote about it, he made it seem like it was downright dangerous.
"Your hands might as well be spinning the Wheel of *Fortune." Really?:confused:

I just don't get it. I don't have a problem with the steering in my Q50 at all, literally no complaints about it. Granted I'm not a "professional" driver by any means, but I've been driving for quite some time and I love the way the car steers. I move the steering wheel, the car does what I want it to do - doesn't seem artificial to me. I'm still thoroughly confused by this. If anything, the review seems extremely snobbish and elitist.

Also, they go on about the high cost of the car, when if equally priced with other cars in its class(3-series, C-class, A4/S4) you'll pay quite a bit MORE minus the hybrid and tech that the Q50 provides.
 

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Another typical review. Start with some inane factoid or history lesson, somehow work the car being reviewed in said story arc. Proceed to complain. Pepper with performance and physical dimension specs. Conclude with pithy remark and verdict. And since this is a review of Infiniti vehicle, make sure you bi+ch about the new naming scheme. And since this is the G-sedan replacement, talk about how the old one lacked refinement. Then proceed to complain about the tech package. But of course, conveniently neglect to mention that all driver aids can be switched off completely.

This is why car magazines are going the way of the dodo.
 

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this was the only passage i felt held merit, or at least interest...

Meanwhile, Mustang mavens take note: The Q50 hybrid does not pack a 5.0, or even a 4.9. In fact, it uses the same power pack as the old M35h. A 3.5-liter V-6 hitches to a 67-hp electric motor between the engine and seven-speed automatic transmission, making a net output of 360 horsepower. Two electronically controlled clutches allow *multiple driving modes, from full motor-plus-engine torque to electric-only propulsion. It’s a system Infiniti has perfected, a powertrain that switches modes transparently while providing fairly astounding thrust. It often runs in electric-only mode, which engenders a certain satisfaction, like you’re getting your money’s worth.
Yea the hyb system is quite cool. Although engenders a certain satisfaction sounds a touch pedantic and actually backwards to the authors whole rant. The second page of the article is titled "Robots Hold you Hostage", he rants against all the electronics the entire article yet the electric motors are what tickles his pleasure....

Ass backwards... The blogs are much better, the auto mags need to fill them selves with fluff to feel like real writers, let us know they're not just car guys but cultured sophisticated and above all knowledgeable!

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We asked for an estimate of the amount of copper onboard
Yeah that was very high on my list! That's for checking into that, C&D! Seriously, who the F cares about that...

On the other hand, when I test drove the car I did not like DAS either. And yes you can turn off driver assistance but why the heck would you pay 5K for it then? It either works well or it doesn't. So in a sense I agree that for a *sports* sedan Q50 has way too many nannies. But a problem that can be solved by saving 5K is a good problem to have.
 

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Yeah that was very high on my list! That's for checking into that, C&D! Seriously, who the F cares about that...

On the other hand, when I test drove the car I did not like DAS either. And yes you can turn off driver assistance but why the heck would you pay 5K for it then? It either works well or it doesn't. So in a sense I agree that for a *sports* sedan Q50 has way too many nannies. But a problem that can be solved by saving 5K is a good problem to have.
Too many nannies for us but for some people it's one serious tech machine that they cannot get enough of. I think it's cool, the nanny systems can be toned down but it is what it is. At least Infiniti keeps pushing to be better.
 

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Another typical review. Start with some inane factoid or history lesson, somehow work the car being reviewed in said story arc. Proceed to complain. Pepper with performance and physical dimension specs. Conclude with pithy remark and verdict. And since this is a review of Infiniti vehicle, make sure you bi+ch about the new naming scheme. And since this is the G-sedan replacement, talk about how the old one lacked refinement. Then proceed to complain about the tech package. But of course, conveniently neglect to mention that all driver aids can be switched off completely.

This is why car magazines are going the way of the dodo.
Oh c'mon Gandhi, you're being super defensive and coming off as biased. I know where you're getting at, but this is the environment that most cars are judged but that's why you have to weed through a lot of different perspectives in order to find the actual merits and shortcomings of the car.
 

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And that's my problem with this review. The merits and short comings are mentioned in passing, (especially the merits) while the writers spends time trying to work the car in to the inane story he started out with. You know what this review reminded me of? Back in ninth grade English class, where I had to come up with a thesis and then write an article to support that thesis. Yes, it's a$$ backward. Just like this **** review.

Look, I have seen enough reviews panning the DAS and the various nannies in the Tech package. Fine. I can accept that. This review is clearly plucked from the print version. The author has limited space. And he *chooses* to fill it with drivel about a Michigan copper mine workers strike from 100 years ago. Then he has to print the stupid question about how much copper the Q50 has. I mean, really?! He does not even start talking about how the car actually drives until the bottom half of the second page. Basically the *last third* of the article is the actual review. Rest of it is just him getting on his soap box.

This review is not written by a car enthusiast. It is written by a jaded, bored hipster, who went to test drive the Q50 for the free room and food, and is simply punching in his time card to collect a paycheck. He is no car enthusiast.
 

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Another typical review. Start with some inane factoid or history lesson, somehow work the car being reviewed in said story arc. Proceed to complain. Pepper with performance and physical dimension specs. Conclude with pithy remark and verdict. And since this is a review of Infiniti vehicle, make sure you bi+ch about the new naming scheme. And since this is the G-sedan replacement, talk about how the old one lacked refinement. Then proceed to complain about the tech package. But of course, conveniently neglect to mention that all driver aids can be switched off completely.

This is why car magazines are going the way of the dodo.
You people are too easy on author. To me he is an A$$HOLE. Sorry if I offend anyone, but at my age I pull no punches, I say like I see it. Auto magazines are no longer true to their mission. The hire some flashy writers who know nothing, pepper their stories with profanity and fluff and tell you nothing. I bought Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Automobile and Road and Track for 25+ years and dropped them like a hot potato 15 years ago. They are truly flashy rags. They have become like TV news struggling for relevancy as their days are numbered.
 

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You people are too easy on author. To me he is an A$$HOLE. Sorry if I offend anyone, but at my age I pull no punches, I say like I see it. Auto magazines are no longer true to their mission. The hire some flashy writers who know nothing, pepper their stories with profanity and fluff and tell you nothing. I bought Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Automobile and Road and Track for 25+ years and dropped them like a hot potato 15 years ago. They are truly flashy rags. They have become like TV news struggling for relevancy as their days are numbered.
And they are truely trying very hard to compete with the internet, where people can actually get real life reviews from real life owners of the autos that the car mags are trying to review and put their $.02 spin out there. And it's clear that as bias as the true owners are so are the mags are bias to certain brands as well. Now that's my $.02.
 

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But even that review is lacking on going into detail about the driving dynamics about the car.
it's a first drive, and it ended with promise of a full blown review forthcoming. And guess what, whatever detail they had about the driving dynamics, it was certainly a lot more that what was in the Car & Driver review. And we did not get a history lesson about Quebec wanting independance from Canada.
 

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True. It appear all the written article reviews lack details. The Q50 is not a car where you can drive briefly and think you know it all. It take week and perhaps month to really understand the driving dynamic of the Q50 especially with the hybrid. It take time to understand the different drive modes. It take time to get accustom to the DAS since it is so different from conventional steering. It take time to understand how the hybrid get it power and unleash it power.
Now, if there is a review that go into details on the DAS and how it effect the handling(good and bad), different drive mode and how it effect the driving performance, Active Trace Control and how it effect cornoring, and the hybrid drive train in term of performance and fuel efficient; then I will respect the reviewer even if he say the Q50S Hybrid stink at the end of the review.
Unfortunately, non of the so-call pro-reviewer was able to do a fair and constructive review of the Q50 due to their lack of time and knowledge of the Q50. I would rather take the bias reviews of the actual owner than these pro-reviewer. At least they spend lots of time with the car and know more about the car.

But even that review is lacking on going into detail about the driving dynamics about the car.
 
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it's a first drive, and it ended with promise of a full blown review forthcoming. And guess what, whatever detail they had about the driving dynamics, it was certainly a lot more that what was in the Car & Driver review. And we did not get a history lesson about Quebec wanting independance from Canada.
It's funny that we have to look to an obscure (for the U.S.) Canadian publication to find a reviewer that reviewed the Q50 positively. The car is getting absolutely shredded out there. I think (mostly) undeservedly so...people can claim bias of car magazines and whatnot, but that doesn't explain it all. The last time I saw a car this poorly received was the penultimate Honda Civic. Many will recall that it was so bad that the car underwent an "emergency" refresh just a year after it was introduced.

I personally like the Q50 - I think it pursues a slightly different mission than my G37x, but what gives? I wonder what it will ultimately do for sales 6 months from now.
 
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