[jaydubb71]

I believe @jaydubb71 and I would like to see this platform migrate to other platforms we're accustom to where the owner of the car is in the drivers seat and has options instead of these super "tooners" basically handcuffing the cars owners. Flame suit on for that comment!

Exactly... Until HPT jumped on the VR30 platform, there was only JB4 and ECUTEK (UpRev isnt even a consideration).

Ummm... I AM A HOT RODDER. Nothing, not one gosh darn fricken car (that hurt... LOL) I own is stock. None of my cars have ever been stock over a year.

Im a member of the "Built, not bought" club. I honestly wanted the ATS-V (everyone and their momma has a CTS-V) so I could go rape EVERYTHING on the road. 10 second car with BOLTONS and NO E fuel. I decided on the Q50 for the interior room, trunk space and the "grown and sexy" of it. Im 48 so its about time. Im ALSO STILL a hot rodder so IM GOING TO TINKER...

Wheres my Holley jet tools, distributor wrench, vacuum gauge and timing light? LOL

 

[Ddnspider]

Separate question @jaydubb71. Are you able to correlate the timing a JB4 log with the HPT log? There has always been a theory that Terry @ BMS and I have had about a timing dip in the 5-5500 range not being spark knock, but being a step change in the spark table when you go above a certain boost level. It would be cool to see if A) you can sync up timing in the JB4 during a pull and B) confirm/deny the timing change in the 5-5500 range.

 

[jaydubb71]

Separate question @jaydubb71. Are you able to correlate the timing a JB4 log with the HPT log? There has always been a theory that Terry @ BMS and I have had about a timing dip in the 5-5500 range not being spark knock, but being a step change in the spark table when you go above a certain boost level. It would be cool to see if A) you can sync up timing in the JB4 during a pull and B) confirm/deny the timing change in the 5-5500 range.

@Ddnspider It doesnt appear to be any knock. Look at this log vs the commanded timing. Im getting more timing than the low detonation tables are asking for AND I cant find any modifier tables that would explain why. The timing drop is actually commanded based on ABSOLUTE LOAD (your question forced me to find the correct parameter to show 200% absolute load vs 100 SAE load... THANKS! LOL!) in the log file file. Oh yeah, this is a stock file. The JB4 log shows a slightly different value. I need to get an OBDII splitter and see if I can log with the HPT and JB4 simultaneously...

 

[DrJason]

To a point and its typically about drivability, not someone else telling them they're going to blow up the car due to their super secret proprietary tune. My point in posting that is on this platform, some of the so called top tuners aren't all they're cracked up to be even though they have a large following and people swear by them. Remember, I don't have any skin in the game or am trying to attract followers or business. Just calling it like I've seen it with some of these logs. YMMV.

Definitely true; miles may vary with any product you buy. This is true across anything in life.

With that said, the "better brand" tuners are most likely to get you better results and better after-tune support. Everyone knows they are not aiming for true perfection because that don't exist anywhere.

I believe @jaydubb71 and I would like to see this platform migrate to other platforms we're accustom to where the owner of the car is in the drivers seat and has options instead of these super "tooners" basically handcuffing the cars owners. Flame suit on for that comment!

Everyone has their own taste and cravings for modification. I definitely see the appeal for people to be in the driver seat of their tune. I get the idea and I agree with the idea. It makes for a better competition in the car community which is great.

The one thing I didn't agree on earlier is that HP Tuning or self-tuning services like HP Tuning will take over the tuning market. I don't think it will happen because not everyone knows or wants to tune themselves. What I think will happen is HP Tuning will get big enough to be competitive with ECUTek/Cobb/etc... rather than taking them over.

 

[jaydubb71]

The one thing I didn't agree on earlier is that HP Tuning or self-tuning services like HP Tuning will take over the tuning market. I don't think it will happen because not everyone knows or wants to tune themselves. What I think will happen is HP Tuning will get big enough to be competitive with ECUTek/Cobb/etc... rather than taking them over.

What I do see happening is HPT digging really deep into the VR30s ECM and TCM. I see shops taking notice. Noticing what features they have in HPT. Noticing how much cheaper it will be for them in the long run. How much more profitable it might be for them to use and tune with HPT. Then there will be a serious issue...

 

[Ddnspider]

@Ddnspider It doesnt appear to be any knock. Look at this log vs the commanded timing. Im getting more timing than the low detonation tables are asking for AND I cant find any modifier tables that would explain why. The timing drop is actually commanded based on ABSOLUTE LOAD (your question forced me to find the correct parameter to show 200% absolute load vs 100 SAE load... THANKS! LOL!) in the log file file. Oh yeah, this is a stock file. The JB4 log shows a slightly different value. I need to get an OBDII splitter and see if I can log with the HPT and JB4 simultaneously...

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Good detective work! Looks like it confirmed out suspicion. Those tables also confirm something major I have been saying. If your timing is down in the dirt (less than 5 degrees or negative), then you're either maxing the table or possibly seeing detonation. Good stuff!

 

[DrJason]

What I do see happening is HPT digging really deep into the VR30s ECM and TCM. I see shops taking notice. Noticing what features they have in HPT. Noticing how much cheaper it will be for them in the long run. How much more profitable it might be for them to use and tune with HPT. Then there will be a serious issue...

If you phrase like that, sure, I think it can happen if HP Tuning can E-Tune services and if HP Tuning features are better than ECUTek. And if HP Tuning pricing remains the same once they get bigger. As we all know with products, once the brand gets bigger so does the price tag.

I'm not sure if HP Tuning can provide remote tuning services, can they?

I can definitely see what you said happening for local shops and local tuners.

 

[Ddnspider]

Take a look around, good website:

HP Tuners – Home

HP Tuners is the leading diagnostic and calibration solution for vehicle performance with the latest MPVI3 interface and VCM Suite software.

www.hptuners.com

They do offer real time timing and remote tuning for other platforms. They may not offer it on the VR platform yet.

 

[DrJason]

Take a look around, good website:

HP Tuners – Home

HP Tuners is the leading diagnostic and calibration solution for vehicle performance with the latest MPVI3 interface and VCM Suite software.

www.hptuners.com

They do offer real time timing and remote tuning for other platforms. They may not offer it on the VR platform yet.

Thanks for the link! I'll check it out when I can.

 

[jaydubb71]

I'm not sure if HP Tuning can provide remote tuning services, can they?
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Yes. Been happening for a long time. I've remote tuned a couple of cars. There's hundreds of tuners that remote tune with HP Tuners. Especially with the release of their 2nd generation tuning interface (The MPVI2). No licensing need to SAVE/MODIFY a tune file. License only needed to flash the ECM.

 

[Nukespeq50]

I just have to say I've been very entertained throughout this whole discussion.

 

[jaydubb71]

I just have to say I've been very entertained throughout this whole discussion.

I'm glad you're having fun. Lol

 

[jaydubb71]

Hey @[email protected] , where you at bud? You haven't commented on this one yet? Strange... Lol

 

[Ddnspider]

@jaydubb71 are there any spark modifiers or just the low high detonation spark tables?

 

[jaydubb71]

@jaydubb71 are there any spark modifiers or just the low high detonation spark tables?

Not at the computer right now but I remember seeing a table with something on and off. I will check later...

 

[[email protected]]

Hey @[email protected] , where you at bud? You haven't commented on this one yet? Strange... Lol

Holy crap how did i not notice this thread lol as i said initially when i joined, i'm definitely not much of a forum guy so sometimes it takes me a while. I need to ask someone from our support team to monitor this forum, obviously it's more active than all the other Nissan forums which seem to have died. Also I've been knee deep in finishing a long project, if you saw we just released flex fuel for Subaru so I tried to stay focused on that.

Ok now that everything is out of the way and excuses made. I'm glad this thread came up, if you've got questions about something I'm happy to answer. Anything specific I can answer? I kinda skimmed through the 5 pages and did a quick read of everything, i'll go back after lunch and catch up.

 

[[email protected]]

Thorough video. Lot of thoughts I have:
Some odd stuff in there. Who the heck wants a boost target PER cylinder lol?
I believe the GM throttle body term you were looking for was setting the Effective Area?
I like that they've got boost correct vs. IAT.
I'd love to shut off the stupid wastegate open feature at cold start.
It looks like the base spark table is the one you'll tackle to get the timing up? Pretty low values in there, curious to see where you go.
I would be curious to know if Ecutek tuners are adjusting the fuel pump tables to get higher power with the stock pumps.

Pressure ratio isn't the same as boost target. Pressure ratio is the ratio of manifold pressure to barometric pressure. There is only one boost target table (Jay no the two tables aren't per bank it's just one table with a "linked" table, basically the two tables have to have exactly the same values otherwise the car will be thrown into limp mode, kind of a security check)

 

[[email protected]]

If you phrase like that, sure, I think it can happen if HP Tuning can E-Tune services and if HP Tuning features are better than ECUTek. And if HP Tuning pricing remains the same once they get bigger. As we all know with products, once the brand gets bigger so does the price tag.

We're already fairly large for a tuning software company, we employee about 60 people and still growing. No the price will not go up, if you take any of our other markets that are already big they have consistently either stayed the same or gone down.If/when TCM support comes out you may have to pay additional credits to tune the TCM, but that's pretty standard. You can always choose to license just the ECM for which the price either will remain the same or decrease if we get enough volume.

 

[[email protected]]

During pre-release testing, before we even made any boost adjustments these were the gains from ONLY timing changes alone on a silver sport. Credit to Darren at NISformance for being the test dummy on this platform for us.

 

[Nukespeq50]

Hey no

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During pre-release testing, before we even made any boost adjustments these were the gains from ONLY timing changes alone on a silver sport. Credit to Darren at NISformance for being the test dummy on this platform for us.

Do you believe for a noob like me, when it comes to tuning, that I should get the hptuner and learn it rather than go with a jb4? I know your answer will be a little bias but I would still like your input. as these numbers show great promise and for the price of less than the jb4, I get much more potential.