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I've hesitated to write this, but after reading the editor's column in the current issue of Car and Driver, and reading all of the comments about the car's technology problems and intricacies - which seem to be about 90% of the posts - I just want to get this off my chest. I know most on here will disagree, some vehemently, but the closer I come to finally taking possession of the car, the greater the angst. So here goes:

Let me start by quoting a small part of the editor's column: We need to start thinking again of the car as a sacred and contemplative space, a place to let the mind work, where your conscious brain is occupied with the task of not crashing, and your unconscious mind is free to roam. It ain't a mobile office, folks, it's a temple. The bolding and underlining is mine. The editor's main theme was that all the distractions in the car are making them more unsafe, not better.

Those members who have been on the forum for a while, know what my feelings are about all the technology that has been made part of the car. The safety improvements are certainly amazing, and I'm glad they have been done. However, I've never had to read a manual or watch a video to learn how to drive a new car. I've never had to read a manual or watch a video to be able to operate the audio system in a new car, etc., etc. As I've said before, technology WAS supposed to make life simpler, not more complicated. As the saying goes, just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean that it should be done. Whenever I've bought a new car, there was always the positive feeling of anticipation - and even exhilaration - in waiting for it. That feeling has been greatly dampened this time around, knowing that it will be like going to school before I can get comfortable in the car, and that I am anticipating running into the same problems that have already surfaced here. If you think that YOU are having problems trying to get things to work, just imagine what people like me are going to feel like, when all we want to do is drive off, and enjoy ourselves, DRIVING, and maybe listening to some music on a good system. Yes, you'll say I'm behind the times, and you'll be right. But there is something to be said about enjoying the simple things in life, without weighing them down so much with more and more. As an aside, you know that I recently took a two week trip with a friend of mine. Though it was tiring, it was also fun being able to drive places I hadn't been before. However, part of that trip was also aggravating, because my friend had to constantly be sending and receiving phone calls and text messages, interrupting our conversations and comments to each other, and even turning off music that sometimes was playing in the car. She just "had to stay connected." We were on vacation, for crying out loud, a time to "vacate your life," so to speak. In a way, I thought she had "crossed over to the dark side."

So, in case you couldn't get the message, this has been a lament about how the car is no longer a car. When I finally do get it, and I've driven it a while, I'll post my feelings about the likes and dislikes of how it is a CAR, and hope that I don't have to pepper the write up(or novel, as Infiniti Chick will probably call it:D), with rants about how it no longer was fun to drive because I was having to hassle with the technology.

Finally, try to pick up a copy of Car and Driver, and read the editor's column, headlined, "Ban 'Em." Though his main points aren't mine, he makes a lot of sense, IMO. Thank you for spending the time to read all of this. If you disagree, that's fine - just understand that I'm not the only one who feels this way. (AND I HOPE THAT BY THE TIME I GET THE CAR, THE MAIN PROBLEMS WILL BE WORKED OUT! PLEASE!)
 

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I'm not arguing with the fact what technology obsession is very annoying. However there is a long way for car automation and electronics to be done right. Every single attempt shows very slow movement to some unknown direction. Probably because nobody really understands how all those techno features should look like in the end.

That's why Apple should revolutionize iCarOS as well as it did with smartphones
 
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I don't think anyone can disagree with you. All products come in different flavors for different customer needs and desires. The Q50 is tech heavy. Many of the people interested in the Q50 are interested because of the advanced technology.

I think their are two different themes in your post though - one is complexity, and the other is keeping the car a disconnected place. They can go together but don't have to.

It sounds like this may not be the right car for you? Clearly the "soul" of the car has changed radically from the G. Some people moving from the G to the Q will probably be very disappointed in this.
 

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So umm...does that mean in remembrance of a car being a car, along with Master Polishing my Q50 when I get it that you will claybar it for me as well?:p
 
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Modern technology gave you this chance to express how bad & unsafe is technology. Look at the positive side, you have a choice to just use the tech in your car to the extend you want to. You don't need to master & understand all of it just the minimum that you can comprehend which allows you to operate the car.
People in general oppose change which is normal but that's life.
FYI "This system is primarily designed to help you support your pleasant driving as out- lined in this manual. However, you, the driver, must use the system safely and properly. Information and the availability of services may not always be up to date. The system is not a substitute for safe, proper and legal driving."
 

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I don't necessarily disagree because I think some of your comments are the case, but the car industry just like every other industry is about survival and staying up with the times. Fortunately or unfortunately, we now live in a "connected" world and it's still changing. Some see that are a good thing and I do, but only for a few conveniences and that is mainly the contact I have with family and friends through some social media or things like Skype. What I don't like is that it seems that it's taking over so much that society is being consumed by it and while there is so much social media, many people are forgetting how to do things and the younger generation isn't learning some of the skills the older generation have learned.

Ok, sorry for the rant on that but it builds up to my point and that is every one is doing it and Infiniti needs to keep up with the times and competition. For instance, I would never buy a car these days without Bluetooth connection. Some cars still do not have it yet but it's trickling down to cheaper cars. Same goes with Navigation and USB iPod integration etc. etc.. There are many more people that buy cars, not for the thrill of driving, but to get from point A to point B and they want the conveniences they have on a daily basis at home or work. If Infiniti or any other car manufacturer don't offer those conveniences then people will shop elsewhere.

I understand your point, but a car is still a car and if you enjoy driving it, great, then enjoy it but, you will use those conveniences because they are there. I do and I enjoy the thrill of driving but when I do I don't think about the other things and concentrate on the enjoyment.
 

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I don't think anyone can disagree with you. All products come in different flavors for different customer needs and desires. The Q50 is tech heavy. Many of the people interested in the Q50 are interested because of the advanced technology.

I think their are two different themes in your post though - one is complexity, and the other is keeping the car a disconnected place. They can go together but don't have to.

It sounds like this may not be the right car for you? Clearly the "soul" of the car has changed radically from the G. Some people moving from the G to the Q will probably be very disappointed in this.
I definitely want the CAR. I enjoy driving, and I see the CAR as an advancement on the G. And yes, my screed did have two themes(actually, three). I think it is important that we not keep putting more distractions in cars(which is what the editor's main point was). Secondly, what we do put in the car shouldn't make things much more complicated in using the car. But my main complaint is that the car has become something other than a car. For me, it's a place to get AWAY from other things, and a way of just enjoying myself DRIVING. I've mentioned here that I do have a cell phone in my car, but I only have it in case of an emergency. On a trip, someone will know where I'll be, so they can contact me there if necessary. When I'm not on a trip, but away from the house, I have an answering machine to take messages. I don't want to be bothered while I'm driving. I know that I'm in the minority in regards to that, but it is so ridiculous to see people constantly on the phone when they're walking around the store("I'm in the dairy section now." It's like the aural equivalent of Twitter - something else I don't do). To each his own, and I'll be very slow to criticize someone personally for his/her way of life, as long as it doesn't interfere with me. I just want my CAR.
 

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Selzini, I completely agree with all your points. The great thing about this car is that you have a choice to use what you want. You don't have to use all the tech, I am in my 20's and I don't. I didn't get the tech package because I knew I would never use all of that stuff and I would rather drive my own car instead of it drive me.
 
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The majority of functions in the touch screens are not designed to be used while driving. They are simply settings and features you can deactivate and activate prior to driving. Everything you really need to do while driving can all be done via the steering wheel buttons, just like any other car.
 

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I see where you're going Selzini and I've talked about it before. Technology in cars is a double edged sword. All this lane departure warning, lane keeping, distance cruise control etc. is great for safety, but inevitably, the phone crazy texting generation will let the car drive for them while they carry on their little digital conversations.

This all started with ABS, power steering and automatic transmissions. You can remember a day when you were forced to pay attention, because driving was visceral and carried fatal danger with it. Steering wheel columns would shank you through the heart before collapsing steering wheel linkages and airbags (and mandatory seatbelts).

Each step forward with safety has been a step back for driver's attention spans. Every single day I see someone doing something stupid on the highway or local streets and they are staring straight down at a phone with both hands on it. People have this insane concept (rooted in selfishness) that, since their vehicle is so safe with airbags, crumple zones, etc., if they crash, they'll be fine. So all of a sudden, driving isn't dangerous under most conditions. That means you can pull out your iPad and watch youtube videos instead!

I'm pretty sure this behavior is global now, since Europe keeps imposing stricter design standards for front ends designed to impart less injury to pedestrians. Is it morons crossing the street searching for a playlist on their iPhones, or drivers doing the same thing, or both?

If you want to re-establish the purity of driving, put a stick shift in there, a decent radio, and no touchy things. Also a CDMA/3g/4g jammer that goes live the minute you turn the key. I don't see a culture change swinging in the right direction (responsible use of "stare at and touch me" gadgets) any time soon.

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From a usability, ease of use, intuitive standpoint, the Q50 is the best I've tried. The combination of the Dual Touch screens along with the hard buttons and redundant short cut methods, in my opinion, was well thought out. Most of the settings are not designed to be used while driving, but for things like making a phone call, using the navigation, and using the audio controls, this is the best system I've tried by far. For example, Navigation lets you cancel your route from the main lower screen without going through extra menus. Playing USB audio allows you to swith back and forth to the radio with just one button. Finding your music is all on one screen, no going through multiple menus. Also, everything can be done through voice control without memorizing anything because the voice menus come up on the top screen and walk you through them. It's not how much technology is in a car, it's how it's set up to make the common things usable and easy and seemless. I think Infiniti did a great job with this, I only wish they had gotten the system out complete without the bugs and with all of the apps working.
 

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From a usability, ease of use, intuitive standpoint, the Q50 is the best I've tried. The combination of the Dual Touch screens along with the hard buttons and redundant short cut methods, in my opinion, was well thought out. Most of the settings are not designed to be used while driving, but for things like making a phone call, using the navigation, and using the audio controls, this is the best system I've tried by far. For example, Navigation lets you cancel your route from the main lower screen without going through extra menus. Playing USB audio allows you to swith back and forth to the radio with just one button. Finding your music is all on one screen, no going through multiple menus. Also, everything can be done through voice control without memorizing anything because the voice menus come up on the top screen and walk you through them. It's not how much technology is in a car, it's how it's set up to make the common things usable and easy and seemless. I think Infiniti did a great job with this, I only wish they had gotten the system out complete without the bugs and with all of the apps working.
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I see where you're going Selzini and I've talked about it before. Technology in cars is a double edged sword. All this lane departure warning, lane keeping, distance cruise control etc. is great for safety, but inevitably, the phone crazy texting generation will let the car drive for them while they carry on their little digital conversations.

This all started with ABS, power steering and automatic transmissions. You can remember a day when you were forced to pay attention, because driving was visceral and carried fatal danger with it. Steering wheel columns would shank you through the heart before collapsing steering wheel linkages and airbags (and mandatory seatbelts).

Each step forward with safety has been a step back for driver's attention spans. Every single day I see someone doing something stupid on the highway or local streets and they are staring straight down at a phone with both hands on it. People have this insane concept (rooted in selfishness) that, since their vehicle is so safe with airbags, crumple zones, etc., if they crash, they'll be fine. So all of a sudden, driving isn't dangerous under most conditions. That means you can pull out your iPad and watch youtube videos instead!

I'm pretty sure this behavior is global now, since Europe keeps imposing stricter design standards for front ends designed to impart less injury to pedestrians. Is it morons crossing the street searching for a playlist on their iPhones, or drivers doing the same thing, or both?

If you want to re-establish the purity of driving, put a stick shift in there, a decent radio, and no touchy things. Also a CDMA/3g/4g jammer that goes live the minute you turn the key. I don't see a culture change swinging in the right direction (responsible use of "stare at and touch me" gadgets) any time soon.

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I don't have a problem with having the safety advances in the car - they are well worthwhile, in my opinion. But you are right in that it gives too much of a sense of well-being, and invulnerability to the driver, especially the younger ones. However, so much has been written lately how people have become fixated by their "toys," that they have to be connected 24 hours a day - the number of people who keep their phones on when they're asleep at 3AM is nuts(no, I'm not saying you should not be able to be contacted, but unless you're a doctor, or someone like that, why do you need to be online then?). Is it really necessary for people to be on the phone(or texting:eek:) when they're out, unless it's an emergency or some vital knowledge is needed immediately? Yes, most functions in the Q50 are disabled while moving, but still the complexity of the system can be overbearing - just seeing how the VAST majority of posts here concern technology, working, not working, or just so confusing to get working - I think proves my point. And look how many people brag that they have been able to hack the systems so they can do what is not intended. I've seen people watching movies in their cars while driving! Look, I'm not against advances in science, technology, medicine, etc. They have been mainly good and necessary. But things are being carried away to extremes.

Not arguing(!), but curious - what makes you want the Q? I am guessing styling and fit and finish, and maybe some of the tech?

I've had an Infiniti for almost 15 years now, the present one for 6 1/2 years. They're the best cars I've ever owned, as I've said, this will be my 27th. I wanted a new car before I'm too old to have one as powerful as this. And I figure that this will be the last time that I will be getting one with "all the bells and whistles." Hey, I'm worth it.;) So yes, styling, fit and finish, reliability, comfort - they all come into it. But my main point has been that I enjoy driving, and for the money, Infiniti beats the others hands down, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, maybe I would be happy with something else, but I would constantly regret not having the Q50. As I said in the OP, I hope my write up after I get the car will be about the CAR, the power, the handling, comfort, style, utility, etc. Oh, and of course, the Bose system, which I'll have to test, one CD at a time now.:(
 

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I suppose Selzini and I are about the same age for we seem to be the kind of guys who buy cars based on their mechanical superiority, styling, performance and quality. We like that tech has enabled engines, transmissions and chassis to become what they now are. Many "old car lovers" will not even consider a car like the Q50 - they continue to say "they don't build 'em like they used to" and boy, are they right. Just drive a car from the 40s, 50s, etc. and you will see what I mean.
So, all that tech in the engine compartment, transmission and chassis is fantastic. Great sound systems are wonderful, too. But the driving nannies (lane departure, intelligent cruise control, etc.) and the touchscreen apps and so forth can become an annoyance, so we either shut them down or ignore them.
Driving to many of us is an "art" and a full-time "job" that needs to be taken seriously and all that distracting tech can interfere with it.
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Selzini:

My suggest to fix your problem. Pick up a good sale price on a M37 or M37 Sport. Its an amazing car and less tech on the dash...but has a lot of tech still superior in the car realm If you need a hybrid, pick up the M35h

I wouldn't be surprised if you can get a deal with a VERY similar monthly payment since the Q50 is at a premium right now

I definitely want the CAR. I enjoy driving, and I see the CAR as an advancement on the G. And yes, my screed did have two themes(actually, three). I think it is important that we not keep putting more distractions in cars(which is what the editor's main point was). Secondly, what we do put in the car shouldn't make things much more complicated in using the car. But my main complaint is that the car has become something other than a car. For me, it's a place to get AWAY from other things, and a way of just enjoying myself DRIVING. I've mentioned here that I do have a cell phone in my car, but I only have it in case of an emergency. On a trip, someone will know where I'll be, so they can contact me there if necessary. When I'm not on a trip, but away from the house, I have an answering machine to take messages. I don't want to be bothered while I'm driving. I know that I'm in the minority in regards to that, but it is so ridiculous to see people constantly on the phone when they're walking around the store("I'm in the dairy section now." It's like the aural equivalent of Twitter - something else I don't do). To each his own, and I'll be very slow to criticize someone personally for his/her way of life, as long as it doesn't interfere with me. I just want my CAR.
 

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well, that's the wonderful thing about cars... there are just so many to choose from. I had my more minimalist needs satisfied with other cars. The Z was a test-tube dinosaur that certainly filled the void in my inner cave man.

but now, as a Father and a very busy person, I absolutely want more technology. I want to have doors that shoosh open like Star Trek. I want a hover speeder from Star Wars. I want to tell the car to open a wormhole though time and space so that I can arrive at work the second I left for work.

I am glad for this car's existence. If I get the need to get primal, I'll go throw some bones at a Monolith or some such.
 

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My suggest to fix your problem. Pick up a good sale price on a M37 or M37 Sport. Its an amazing car and less tech on the dash...but has a lot of tech still superior in the car realm If you need a hybrid, pick up the M35h

I wouldn't be surprised if you can get a deal with a VERY similar monthly payment since the Q50 is at a premium right now


If you'll notice my signature, I already have the 2nd generation G, and it IS the best car I've ever had. I don't need another one, I want an upgrade, and I know I'll get it with the Q50. The M is a nice car, but it's dull looking to me, and frankly, bigger than I'd want. Anyway, I'm buying the Q50, and will have no payments. Maybe I could do without all the tech stuff, but there are things in the package that I think are good to have - anyway, I wanted the wood trim.:D I hope you're not missing the point that I'm making. It's nice to have technology for those who want it, but things have become tremendously complex, much more so than is needed. It's a shame that there seems to be a race among manufacturers, and not only of cars, to try to outdo everyone else with as many gadgets as possible. That takes away from the primary purpose of having a car. While you are enjoying all of your toys, people like Avanti5010 and I will be enjoying the CAR, that is, if the technology doesn't detract from it. Oh, just to mention: The editor of Car and Driver in his column said that he would be in favor of having a red light on the top of all cars, which would start flashing whenever the driver was being distracted(such as when he's on the phone or using the Navigation). That way, all other drivers would pay extra attention to stay away. He's being facetious, of course, but humor in jest makes a good point.

Thanks to all of you for at least reading my rants, and thanks to those on here who understand where I'm coming from. Just as in the art world, with cars, sometimes less is more.
 

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The editor of Car and Driver in his column said that he would be in favor of having a red light on the top of all cars, which would start flashing whenever the driver was being distracted(such as when he's on the phone or using the Navigation). That way, all other drivers would pay extra attention to stay away. He's being facetious, of course, but humor in jest makes a good point.
Sounds good to me! I hope it is an LED though so I don't burn mine out. :D
 
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