I have heard a lot about the DAS - and there have been positives and negative. Critics have disliked the DAS while some actual users have had decent experiences. I am seriously thinking of just going without the DAS, and changing the tires to summer performance (and eliminating the clearly problematic run-flat) which may improve the handling. What are the views of actual users out there? Has anybody decided and bought a non DAS Q50 or test drove both versions (DAS and non DAS) to provide any useful comments? Any insight will be much appreciated -- i should probably go out and test drive but I would love to have reviews from users as well. THANKS!
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If you want a Hybrid, you get DAS weather you want it or not.
I forgot what package it comes with on the Gas Model.
Just get the model you like I would think and don't worry so much about weather you have DAS or Power Steering.
It will come with the options/model you want, or not.
I have DAS and I'm coming from a G35.
I'm not missing the power steering.
The only road where it took me a few turns getting used to DAS is in a mountain road that has hair turn pins.
In this type of road you don't get the same feedback as a power steering setup.
I forgot what package it comes with on the Gas Model.
Just get the model you like I would think and don't worry so much about weather you have DAS or Power Steering.
It will come with the options/model you want, or not.
I have DAS and I'm coming from a G35.
I'm not missing the power steering.
The only road where it took me a few turns getting used to DAS is in a mountain road that has hair turn pins.
In this type of road you don't get the same feedback as a power steering setup.
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In the gasser the DAS is in the Deluxe Touring Package. I have it and like it. The best thing to do is test drive them both for yourself and make the decision. Don't let anyone else make the decision for you before you test drive. And I bet if you drove one with DAS and wasn't told that it had DAS you wouldn't know that there was DAS.
The first test drive I took I almost hit a curb. I noticed the difference with the very first turn. It does take some getting use to.
Hopefully on the 2015 q60, das will be either phased out due to its problems, or only included with the tech package. Instead of touring since the tech package requires the DumbAzzSteering.
Hopefully on the 2015 q60, das will be either phased out due to its problems, or only included with the tech package. Instead of touring since the tech package requires the DumbAzzSteering.
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Thanks for the replies so far!
Thanks a ton for the responses so far - it seems like 1) DAS clearly is different from traditional steering and requires getting used BUT one can easily get comfortable with it depending on personal preferencea, and 2) from what I have read, critics may have been unduly stringent abt the system and none of us actually race our cars around everyday anyways...I will test drive and then report back. Thanks!
Thanks a ton for the responses so far - it seems like 1) DAS clearly is different from traditional steering and requires getting used BUT one can easily get comfortable with it depending on personal preferencea, and 2) from what I have read, critics may have been unduly stringent abt the system and none of us actually race our cars around everyday anyways...I will test drive and then report back. Thanks!
Lol, good drivers dont need electronic assist steering. Bad drivers do. Mainly senior citizens. Which DAS is targeted to.Yeah...sure you did....
FYI: As I stated before, please test drive the car seriously and don't let anyone make the decision for you. They may not be very good drivers...
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You're kidding, right? Think about what you said: This new technology, that makes steering more accurate, is aimed at people whom you think need driving aids. That goes against all assumptions about technology. Oh, well, it's too bad that you need to give your car a "heads-up" about where you want to go, before the car actually gets to change directions.
Yup, in a simplified nutshell that is how it was for me.
When you test drive you may want to ask them to put your DAS on the lowest ratio and normal or soft weight.
This to me is more like a regular car.
If you start with the fastest ratio and heaviest setting it may be awkward to control during the first few minutes of your test drive because it takes a few minutes to get used to the fast ratio.
It was very touchy for me at first at the fastest ratio.
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I have a Non DAS Q50s awd and the steering is similar to my G37. Turn in is much quicker and less progressive but you get used to it. I enjoy spirited driving but I am never taking this to the track so the steering works well. The suspension is much less jarring but more bouncy than the G37. Overall the Q50 is a better car. Go test drive one and make your own judgement.
Actually direct connection is more accurate and reliable. Look at drive by wire and drive by cable. Drive by wire has acceleration lag. So much that some people waste 300 on a little ecu plug called sprint booster.You're kidding, right? Think about what you said: This new technology, that makes steering more accurate, is aimed at people whom you think need driving aids. That goes against all assumptions about technology. Oh, well, it's too bad that you need to give your car a "heads-up" about where you want to go, before the car actually gets to change directions.
Really, an electrical signal traveling the length of the wire to an ECU has noticeable lag to a direct connected cable to the throttle??
You'll have to explain the physics of that one to me.
It should be instantaneous given the signal length of an electronic throttle.
Honestly do you ever have anything good to post on here?
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You really need to read up what Infiniti DAS is all about.
http://nissannews.com/media_storage/images/Infiniti_Q50_Direct_Adaptive_Steering.pdf
Notice on page 7, DAS is more accurate and improved response compared to conventional steering.
http://nissannews.com/media_storage/images/Infiniti_Q50_Direct_Adaptive_Steering.pdf
Notice on page 7, DAS is more accurate and improved response compared to conventional steering.
Ye sorry if I was ranting earlier.
I work in embedded software and sometimes work with microcontrollers which are probably junk compared to an ECU.
A $2 microcontroller can interrupt thousands of times per second and has a response time in the low micro-second range (μs).
That is way beyond what a human can detect as lag.
So seriously, "lag" on an electronic throttle that vbx is trying to suggest just sounds like idiocy to me, or the auto manufacturer using cheap parts or having bad error checking software that would induce lag (assuming there was any lag to begin with).
I work in embedded software and sometimes work with microcontrollers which are probably junk compared to an ECU.
A $2 microcontroller can interrupt thousands of times per second and has a response time in the low micro-second range (μs).
That is way beyond what a human can detect as lag.
So seriously, "lag" on an electronic throttle that vbx is trying to suggest just sounds like idiocy to me, or the auto manufacturer using cheap parts or having bad error checking software that would induce lag (assuming there was any lag to begin with).
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I have been driving my DAS equipped Q for several months. If I had to do it again, I would - in a heart beat.
I purchased my Q for touring, not track performance. I am not saying the Q is not a good pperformer - just that my priority is a vehicle that is comfortable on longer trips.
I took a 2500 mile trip from so cal to Colorado and back. My 24 yr old son drove much of the outbound leg. He said that the car was considerably less stressful to drive partly because there was very little vibration coming through the steering wheel, and because the lane departure control drove the car by itself for considerable distances.
On the return leg, I drove through very heavy rain. The DAS system was very stable. The steering wheel never pulled as the car plowed through deep puddles at 70+ mpg. My G would have been all over the road and I would have struggled to keep my G in the lane. Not the Q. It tracked very well in bad weather.
It is for these reasons I would buy a Q with DAS again.
I purchased my Q for touring, not track performance. I am not saying the Q is not a good pperformer - just that my priority is a vehicle that is comfortable on longer trips.
I took a 2500 mile trip from so cal to Colorado and back. My 24 yr old son drove much of the outbound leg. He said that the car was considerably less stressful to drive partly because there was very little vibration coming through the steering wheel, and because the lane departure control drove the car by itself for considerable distances.
On the return leg, I drove through very heavy rain. The DAS system was very stable. The steering wheel never pulled as the car plowed through deep puddles at 70+ mpg. My G would have been all over the road and I would have struggled to keep my G in the lane. Not the Q. It tracked very well in bad weather.
It is for these reasons I would buy a Q with DAS again.
Hey - thanks for the response -- so it appears you prefer the Q 50 without the DAS, right? I understand it is a personal preference but just confirming...
When the first automatic Porsche came out people laughed.
When drive by wire came out people said the gas pedal now felt dead.
When power steering was developed critics said that they could no longer feel the road.
I can guarantee you that there isn't a driver on this forum that could catch my wife in her PDK auto 911 which by the way is drive by wire and power assisted steering.
I love my q50 and nothing these naysayers claim will change my opinion.
P.S. Me and my $5000 turntable are still waiting for the return of analog because all the critics said CD's will never replace records.
When drive by wire came out people said the gas pedal now felt dead.
When power steering was developed critics said that they could no longer feel the road.
I can guarantee you that there isn't a driver on this forum that could catch my wife in her PDK auto 911 which by the way is drive by wire and power assisted steering.
I love my q50 and nothing these naysayers claim will change my opinion.
P.S. Me and my $5000 turntable are still waiting for the return of analog because all the critics said CD's will never replace records.
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