This could be a winner if the price is right..
Infiniti Q50 Gets New Mercedes-Sourced 211HP 2.0L Turbo Engine
Infiniti Q50 Gets New Mercedes-Sourced 211HP 2.0L Turbo Engine at the Guangzhou Motor Show - Carscoops
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Infiniti has unveiled a new four-cylinder engine for the Q50 sports sedan at the Guangzhou Motor Show in China. The new turbocharged unit will be on sale in China from spring 2014, with other global markets to follow.
The result of Infiniti’s partnership with Daimler, the 2.0-liter unit will add to the Q50’s current powertrain options – a 3.7-liter gasoline engine, a 3.5-liter hybrid and a 2.2-liter, four-cylinder turbodiesel. On sale in Europe this autumn, the latter is also a fruit of the company’s collaboration with Daimler.
The Euro5-compliant 2.0-liter turbocharged engine features direct injection with precise Piezo injections and produces 211hp (214PS) and 236 lb-ft (320 Nm) of torque from as low as 1,250 rpm. As with the 2.2-liter diesel, the gasoline engine has been modified by the Infiniti engineering teams to ensure engine response is in line with Infiniti’s brand characteristics.
Infiniti hasn’t offered fuel economy or performance specs of the Q50 with the new engine.
The unit is part of the company’s strategy to expand its product offerings and to adapt its model range to local customer requirements. Over the next five years, Infiniti plans to increase its model lineup by 60 percent and more than double the number of its powertrains.
Infiniti also announced that next year it will begin production of long-wheelbase Q50 and QX50 models at the Xiangyang plant in Hubei Province, China.
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I doubt this can be a winner here in the US. Underpowered it will have to compete with a much less expensive Honda Accord.This could be a winner if the price is right..
A similarly priced stripped down Q50 powered by turbo four banger against fully loaded Accord V6? I think Accord hands down.
Way underpowered.
Everyone else's current 2.0T's are pushing out 275HP or more....in far lighter and inexpensive cars.
Genesis 2.0T = 275/275
WRX 2.0T = 268/258
Cadillact ATS 2.0T = 274/260
BMW 328i = 240/255
Honda Civic Type R 2.0t = 275/?
For god sakes even the Audi A4 makes 220/258
And this is supposed to be a partnership engine?
There is so much FAIL going on at Infiniti....
Something tells me this will be another G25 episode....why doesnt Nissan learn from their mistakes? Wow.
Everyone else's current 2.0T's are pushing out 275HP or more....in far lighter and inexpensive cars.
Genesis 2.0T = 275/275
WRX 2.0T = 268/258
Cadillact ATS 2.0T = 274/260
BMW 328i = 240/255
Honda Civic Type R 2.0t = 275/?
For god sakes even the Audi A4 makes 220/258
And this is supposed to be a partnership engine?
There is so much FAIL going on at Infiniti....
Something tells me this will be another G25 episode....why doesnt Nissan learn from their mistakes? Wow.
Just thought of the "3.7" badge, another example of silliness.Way underpowered.
Everyone else's current 2.0T's are pushing out 275HP or more....in far lighter and inexpensive cars.
Genesis 2.0T = 275/275
WRX 2.0T = 268/258
Cadillact ATS 2.0T = 274/260
BMW 328i = 240/255
Honda Civic Type R 2.0t = 275/?
There is so much FAIL going on at Infiniti....
Something tells me this will be another G25 episode....why doesnt Nissan learn from their mistakes? Wow.
That's not a fair comparison, ESPECIALLY since we don't know the numbers/MSRP yet. Especially in the case of the 328i, A4, and the ATS. Those cars are already at the price point of the 3.7. This 2.0L engine version is likely to cost much less.Way underpowered.
Everyone else's current 2.0T's are pushing out 275HP or more....in far lighter and inexpensive cars.
Genesis 2.0T = 275/275
WRX 2.0T = 268/258
Cadillact ATS 2.0T = 274/260
BMW 328i = 240/255
Honda Civic Type R 2.0t = 275/?
For god sakes even the Audi A4 makes 220/258
And this is supposed to be a partnership engine?
There is so much FAIL going on at Infiniti....
The thing to keep in mind is that the Honda Accord can't compete with the premium level and the RWD drivetrain of a Q50. You guys are saying "underpowered" as if it means something.I doubt this can be a winner here in the US. Underpowered it will have to compete with a much less expensive Honda Accord.
A similarly priced stripped down Q50 powered by turbo four banger against fully loaded Accord V6? I think Accord hands down.
Underpowered is what makes this 2.0L engine inherently what it is and that regard, it's nothing more than a frame of reference.
That frame of reference hinges upon the price segment that this car stands to compete in. Until we know how much this turbo engine Q50 will be, these complaints don't have much weight. That's why I say, this could do well if they can price it competitively and have more to offer than the G25 did. The problem with the G25 is that it was low on options and too high in price. They'll need to strike the proper middleground to make it work.
I knew we'd see this in the Q30 (or something similar). After the G25, I'd be a little surprised to see it in the Q50, but if we could sell a Q50 with all bells and whistles for under $45K, or a slightly stripier one for under $40K, that would be cool.
People on forums will whine about it being under-powered. But there will be plenty of customers who are perfectly happy with the performance.
People on forums will whine about it being under-powered. But there will be plenty of customers who are perfectly happy with the performance.
Especially if this turbo can crank out an extra 4-5 MPGsI knew we'd see this in the Q30 (or something similar). After the G25, I'd be a little surprised to see it in the Q50, but if we could sell a Q50 with all bells and whistles for under $45K, or a slightly stripier one for under $40K, that would be cool.
People on forums will whine about it being under-powered. But there will be plenty of customers who are perfectly happy with the performance.
if this is just the Mercedes CLA's engine thats a bit tweaked (actually it looks to be related but not exactly the same, on account of the lower torque figures- the CLA has 250 lb/ft), then its a good thing. The MPGs are pretty good on that engine as well. I suspect the engine is underated as well.
My father has a Mercedes C250 and its only rated at 201 hp, but it really scoots for a tiny 1.8L turbo...feels a LOT faster than 201 hp. His car is probably putting down figures closer to 230 hp or so.
If infiniti can get the pricing right, this can be a real hit for them. I think this will take over the G37's current position and then the G37 will stop production at that point.
My father has a Mercedes C250 and its only rated at 201 hp, but it really scoots for a tiny 1.8L turbo...feels a LOT faster than 201 hp. His car is probably putting down figures closer to 230 hp or so.
If infiniti can get the pricing right, this can be a real hit for them. I think this will take over the G37's current position and then the G37 will stop production at that point.
OK, for reference, a fully loaded Accord V6(278hp Touring package with leather, Navi and an auto butt wipe unit) is around $33,000 Retail right now.That's not a fair comparison, ESPECIALLY since we don't know the numbers/MSRP yet. Especially in the case of the 328i, A4, and the ATS. Those cars are already at the price point of the 3.7. This 2.0L engine version is likely to cost much less.
The thing to keep in mind is that the Honda Accord can't compete with the premium level of a Q50. You guys are saying "underpowered" as if it means something.
Underpowered is what makes this 2.0L engine inherently what it is and that regard, it's nothing more than a frame of reference.
That frame of reference hinges upon the price segment that this car stands to compete in. Until we know how much this turbo engine Q50 will be, these complaints don't have much weight. That's why I say, this could do well if they can price it competitively and have more to offer than the G25 did. The problem with the G25 is that it was low on options and too high in price. They'll need to strike the proper middleground to make it work.
A stripped down 4cyl Q50 RWD - no leather, no Navi......$31,000 - 33,000?? or more?
Which would you pick?
The same people that would buy a stripped for $29k CLA... people simply looking for a badge to drive.
Id take the Accord all day long...its probably the most solid FWD car out there for the price.OK, for reference, a fully loaded Accord V6(278hp Touring package with leather, Navi and an auto butt wipe unit) is around $33,000 Retail right now.
A stripped down 4cyl Q50 RWD - no leather, no Navi......$31,000 - 33,000?? or more?
Which would you pick?
211HP inside of a 3600+lb car? Are you serious?
Theres the 360HP, 328HP, and then theres the 211.
Even 260HP would have been enough....
I thought Infiniti stood for "Performance" ?
Are we really whining again...gheesh
Don't worry too much about the numbers. The 3.7 and the 3.5L hybrid aren't turbo engines. Since the 2.0L is, the comparison of the 211hp is a misnomer.Id take the Accord all day long...its probably the most solid FWD car out there for the price.
211HP inside of a 3600+lb car? Are you serious?
Theres the 360HP, 328HP, and then theres the 211.
Even 260HP would have been enough....
I thought Infiniti stood for "Performance" ?
Also, I'd expect that with the 2.0L, the car will drop at least 100lbs as well.
So I'll throw in a few cents.
1. We don't know if this is exactly what the US will get.
2. The torque number on it is pretty good. You know its not that much lower than the V6 (236 vs 270ish). Plus the car should weight less too).
3. The HP rating is low for 2014. But then again, in the CLA its rated at 208hp/258lb-ft, so it might have more torque than a 328i, but less HP. The standard CLA is a mid-6 second car and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
4. Not sure why Nissan/Infiniti needs turbo-4's...they can make their own. Sentra Nismo - 1.8L turbo, 240hp/240lb-ft.
5. AMG tunes up the 2L to 355hp/332lb-ft. Infiniti may tune the 2L up to somewhere in between those numbers of the base 2L and the AMG.
1. We don't know if this is exactly what the US will get.
2. The torque number on it is pretty good. You know its not that much lower than the V6 (236 vs 270ish). Plus the car should weight less too).
3. The HP rating is low for 2014. But then again, in the CLA its rated at 208hp/258lb-ft, so it might have more torque than a 328i, but less HP. The standard CLA is a mid-6 second car and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
4. Not sure why Nissan/Infiniti needs turbo-4's...they can make their own. Sentra Nismo - 1.8L turbo, 240hp/240lb-ft.
5. AMG tunes up the 2L to 355hp/332lb-ft. Infiniti may tune the 2L up to somewhere in between those numbers of the base 2L and the AMG.
I think this is a winner in Asia. Big engines are not a common thing in Asia.
I think the smaller engine will be a fail in the US market. Just like the G25 it doesn't belong.
Infiniti should just stick with the 3.7 and 3.5 hybrid models until they figure something else out. Why not direct inject and turbo charge the 3.7 engine?
Better yet, make it a smaller displacement engine like a 3.0 liter and then direct inject/turbo charge it. It will be lighter, more fuel efficient, and a WINNER.
Infiniti should just stick with the 3.7 and 3.5 hybrid models until they figure something else out. Why not direct inject and turbo charge the 3.7 engine?
Better yet, make it a smaller displacement engine like a 3.0 liter and then direct inject/turbo charge it. It will be lighter, more fuel efficient, and a WINNER.
I dunno...I think the smaller engine will be a fail in the US market. Just like the G25 it doesn't belong.
The C250 and the IS250 have been around for quite some time now and in terms of overall displacement, the A4 as well. They're likely to be very similar to this 2.0L.
I think it belongs just fine but I think the smaller engine wasn't the issue in the G25. It was the price, the notsogreat MPG savings, and the lack of options is what did it in. Those other cars didn't skimp on features and options.
Following this logic everyone would be driving loaded Accord/Camry/Sonata.
You pay extra for RWD, superior chassis and the premium brand name.
I think the 2.0T has a great potential because of lower weight and better
fuel consumption (which is abysmal in the 3.7). BMW 328I handles significantly better than 335I so we might see the same benefits in the Q50.
You pay extra for RWD, superior chassis and the premium brand name.
I think the 2.0T has a great potential because of lower weight and better
fuel consumption (which is abysmal in the 3.7). BMW 328I handles significantly better than 335I so we might see the same benefits in the Q50.
I know with the BMW 335i the hp numbers were pretty underrated. I remember when it was released some of the BMWCCA guys threw them up on dynos and were getting between 275-280 rwhp which is more like 325-330 bhp rather than the claimed 300. Would not surprise me if this was the case here. Also, there will probably already be some tuning available since it is already in the CLA (Assuming it uses a similar ECU).
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