[googol]

Hey guys and gals,

Been lurking on this forum for a bit now, thanks for all the info on the car and it is near the top of my list. The only issue I think I have is the wood with the tech package, asked two dealers near my area if they could put the alum silver paneling in instead and got ignored.

The other issue is how is a hybrid only getting 36MPG hwy if like BMW 3 series non hybrid gets like 33-34 which to me, seems like not much of a difference at all? I know the 2.0L vs 3.7L is probably where its at, due to performance, just seems like 3 series still has that kick and power with the torque, and can get 335i for a little extra something 300hp.

I am looking at the following:

Infiniti Q50 Hybrid Premium RWD (live in socal, don't need AWD)
BMW 3 series (or soon to be 4 series)
Acura 2014/5 TLX
I have looked at the other thread that talks about similar cars in this class, not a fan of MB too much, plus hesitant of the german costs (after warranty) I have heard about on here and other places.

I am considering expanding my list, need to drive the Q50 first, didn't like seating in Lexus IS350 before, but will try again with the new one, but with options, pricing seems to blow up.

I currently am driving a 2002 Acura CL Type S that is at 136,000 miles. I have always purchased outright and never have leased, but open to that possibility for the right deal, and might be nice to have a newer car sooner.

 

[Blue]

Welcome,

BMW 335i is certainly a great car! however, like you said it yourself, German cars can be unreliable and expensive to fix. I believe the 4 series are coupe only? i could be wrong.

This is a very competitive segment including some heavy weight such as the A4 and ATS. You can view the versus sub forum for more comparison.

 

[Infiniti Chick]

Hey guys and gals,

Been lurking on this forum for a bit now, thanks for all the info on the car and it is near the top of my list. The only issue I think I have is the wood with the tech package, asked two dealers near my area if they could put the alum silver paneling in instead and got ignored.

The other issue is how is a hybrid only getting 36MPG hwy if like BMW 3 series non hybrid gets like 33-34 which to me, seems like not much of a difference at all? I know the 2.0L vs 3.7L is probably where its at, due to performance, just seems like 3 series still has that kick and power with the torque, and can get 335i for a little extra something 300hp.

I am looking at the following:

Infiniti Q50 Hybrid Premium RWD (live in socal, don't need AWD)
BMW 3 series (or soon to be 4 series)
Acura 2014/5 TLX
I have looked at the other thread that talks about similar cars in this class, not a fan of MB too much, plus hesitant of the german costs (after warranty) I have heard about on here and other places.

I am considering expanding my list, need to drive the Q50 first, didn't like seating in Lexus IS350 before, but will try again with the new one, but with options, pricing seems to blow up.

I currently am driving a 2002 Acura CL Type S that is at 136,000 miles. I have always purchased outright and never have leased, but open to that possibility for the right deal, and might be nice to have a newer car sooner.

I have spent no fewer than 40 hours in heavy research on all cars in this segment/class. Researched Audi A4, BMW 328i, Mercedes C300, Volvo S60, Lexus, Cadillac, etc....they all have positives but after looking at each as well as reviews on Edmunds, Consumer Reports and similar, over all they just can't compete with the Q50. The 3.5L/3.7L, V6, all the technology, packages, etc...just aren't available in those cars. The technology (Navigation, etc) just can't compare to the Q50. Most of them aren't touch screens and many have been rated very poorly for their confusing systems. Q50 is giving us two touch screens and a variety of options that none of the competition offers. I'm a tech freak so those factors are just as important to me as the V6, 3.5L! Of course, I currently have a 2010 G37S and absolutely LOVE it, so I'm assuming the Q50 will just blow me away!

 

[Blue]

I wouldn't say overall they just can't compete with the Q50.... the BMW 3 series' reputation in this segment is legendary, the new Lexus IS has received overwhelmingly positive reviews, and MB and Audi have always been up there. No doubt the Q50 looks very promising, but i would wait until personally test drive and for a few unbiased reviews.

You can make the argument that the tech in the Q50 is better given the dual touch screen (it seems it's bugged as of now), but in terms of overall package, the Q50 is facing brutal competition in this already super competitive and innovative segment.

Also, may I ask what tech/pack that is in the Q50 not in other cars? The Q50 does not have vent seats and pano roof. To me, these two are very minor. But I have not thoroughly researched what the Q50 has that the other cars dont.

 

[googol]

I would love to have vent seats, as sometimes we have heat waves or live in hot areas..black leather which I love..sometimes ouch at first, but I am used to it hehe.

I agree with the tech and seems like most for the bank of the buck, which is what I am looking for. I just wish I could get alum, but when they arrive in the dealerships, I can test drive it, see if I like the wood in person, maybe negotiate something to have them swap it out.

I am awaiting to hear what Acura does to revamp their TL (now TLX), as tech from RLX supposedly will be in it, along with other hopefully innovative items. Sure it means I have to wait a little more, but I may do that, but then again, after having an Acura for 12 years this september, it would be nice to have change, like infiniti and the q50. I assume maintenance costs of the q50 will be comparable to my acura

 

[Infiniti Chick]

I wouldn't say overall they just can't compete with the Q50.... the BMW 3 series' reputation in this segment is legendary, the new Lexus IS has received overwhelmingly positive reviews, and MB and Audi have always been up there. No doubt the Q50 looks very promising, but i would wait until personally test drive and for a few unbiased reviews.

You can make the argument that the tech in the Q50 is better given the dual touch screen (it seems it's bugged as of now), but in terms of overall package, the Q50 is facing brutal competition in this already super competitive and innovative segment.

Also, may I ask what tech/pack that is in the Q50 not in other cars? The Q50 does not have vent seats and pano roof. To me, these two are very minor. But I have not thoroughly researched what the Q50 has that the other cars dont.

I've been told that the panoramic roof means no ability to actually open it. So although very cool looking, isn't actually functional. I do wish the Q50 had vented seats but since I've never had them before and survived, I'm OK with not having them.....but really wish the leather seats didn't have the little "holes" in them to make it seem like they are vented. I also wish the Q50 offered heated steering wheel. But when you put up all the options/engine/etc...I just feel the Q50 is my best bet. Plus the cost of repairs for a Germany car is just ridiculous. I haven't had a single moment of issue with my G37S and other than new tires, only needed routine maintenance.

As for what it offers that the others do not, I will have to hunt down that information. I found it surprising that some of them have the tilt/telescoping steering column but many didn't have electronically and keyless entry wasn't standard on most. The Technology Package offered on the Q50 has some pretty sweet options that may not be available on all.

I think they all offer many of the options but the price goes up over $50K and I'm trying very hard to keep it at $50K. Realizing that a car at $30K is $300/month less, I have a hard time justifying needing THIS much car but believe me, I will justify it just the same. haha

 

[InfinitiPlusOne]

Q50 hybrid get 28/34 combined 30mpg.
335i get 23/33 combined 26mpg.
So, Q50 hybrid is 4mpg(combined) more than 335i. Take 4 divided by 26 and you get about 15% saving in gas with the Q50.

Q50 hybrid rated about 350+ HP, torque (unknown), 0-60 about 5.3 or less
335i rated 300HP, 300lb torque @ (1500 RPM), 0-60 about 5.1 or less.

Test drive them both and see which one you like better. The 335i is off my list because the interior felt boring to me. Also, that stick up nav screen is a turn off for me. When I sat in the Q50 and witness the dual screen display, I know I must have the Q50.

Acura TLX, this car wouldn't be out another full year. If you can wait that long, might as well wait because you can get very good pricing on the Q50 by than. Also, you probably can get the 2nd year model of the Q50.

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The other issue is how is a hybrid only getting 36MPG hwy if like BMW 3 series non hybrid gets like 33-34 which to me, seems like not much of a difference at all? I know the 2.0L vs 3.7L is probably where its at, due to performance, just seems like 3 series still has that kick and power with the torque, and can get 335i for a little extra something 300hp.

I am looking at the following:
Infiniti Q50 Hybrid Premium RWD (live in socal, don't need AWD)
BMW 3 series (or soon to be 4 series)
Acura 2014/5 TLX

 

[Blue]

I would be carefully when comparing HP between European cars and Japanese cars. Japanese tends to overstate horsepower in their cars while their European counterparts understate them. The reason could be (speculation) that in Europe, very few cars are above 200HP as the gas are about $9-$10/gallon. It's actually better to have a lower horse power on the sticker.

The BMW 328i only has about 250 HP but can go almost as fast the Infiniti G37. the 335i can go from 0-60 under 5 seconds with 300 HP. There are certainly other factors (gearing, aerodynamics...etc) aside from HP understatement.

There was another comparison between the 328i (248HP) and the IS250 (201HP), where the 328i crushed the IS250 by nearly 2 seconds in a 0-60 test.

 

[Sinecure]

The 328 gets better mileage because it sucks. Damned engine shuts off every time you stop. Turbo lag kicks in after revs come up.

Navi system is horrible. Back seats are a joke compared to Q50. Trunk isn't wide enough for golf clubs (a customer did point out that the BMW salesperson only claimed it would hold a golf bag - no mention of having clubs in said bag).

And the brakes? 328i brakes remind me of a Dairy Queen soft serve cone on an August day at the beach. Q50 brakes more like Kate Upton's nipples on a bikini photo shoot at the arctic circle.

Oh, and the 8 speed transmission seems to hunt like drunk Texan - keeps the revs low so it doesn't get too riled up or something.

 

[chicagokevo]

I also wish the Q50 offered heated steering wheel.

The Q50 manual states that it will feature a heated steering wheel option. Not sure which package it comes packaged in, or if it's a special add-on. That part seems to be unclear. But it clearly states that it's available in the manual:

 

[SteinyD]

I would love to have vent seats, as sometimes we have heat waves or live in hot areas..black leather which I love..sometimes ouch at first, but I am used to it hehe.

I too wish they added that to the Q50. We have heat and cooled vented seats in our FX35. I can tell you that on warm days or days that the wife in the passenger seat says it is too cold in the car, having the a/c coming through the seat is a great added feature. It is good for a quick cool down on a hot summer day.

 

[selzini]

Oh, and the 8 speed transmission seems to hunt like drunk Texan

Ah, the Dick Cheney transmission!

 

[googol]

Q50 hybrid get 28/34 combined 30mpg.
335i get 23/33 combined 26mpg.
So, Q50 hybrid is 4mpg(combined) more than 335i. Take 4 divided by 26 and you get about 15% saving in gas with the Q50.

Acura TLX, this car wouldn't be out another full year. If you can wait that long, might as well wait because you can get very good pricing on the Q50 by than. Also, you probably can get the 2nd year model of the Q50.

thought Hybrid q50 was 36 highway? It will be interesting to see what real world values will turn out to be. I am strongly considering q50 as best all around tech, design, etc and different than my acura.

acura TLX I heard might be out like march of 2014, similar to how the RLX was launched in march 2013. I am hoping for details to come out in october or like november's la auto show.

Thanks for your info, sure helps. I have driven the 335i and was fun to drive and something different, radically different than my family and our typical asian imports, but felt like something missing.

I hope to test drive the q50 this month if not next at a nearby dealer.

 

[afrosheen]

I too wish they added that to the Q50. We have heat and cooled vented seats in our FX35. I can tell you that on warm days or days that the wife in the passenger seat says it is too cold in the car, having the a/c coming through the seat is a great added feature. It is good for a quick cool down on a hot summer day.

Bro, dual zone climate controls?

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[InfinitiPlusOne]

Nope, Infiniti goofed on their press release. 34hwy is what posted on the actual window sticker.

thought Hybrid q50 was 36 highway?
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[brianch]

I think you will grow old waiting for the TLX.

It's a battle between the Q50 and BMW.

Both great cars.