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The GPS persistently gives me a slower route to work- the applications on my iPhone are all consistent with a faster, alternate route.

I've tried storing routes in Navigation, but they all seem to revert back to the direction the Q50 prefers. When I map out the route in the web portal, Journey Planner, the faster route appears on the map on the compputer! Yet, when the route gets imported to the car from Infiinti Connection, but the problem persists. So far, I haven't been able to get help from Infiniti, though they have escalated my issue.

For those in Westchester, NY, the Saw Mill to the Henry Hudson Pkwy is much faster than I-87, the NYS Thruway.

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I haven't played around with storing routes, so I can't help much there.

But my guess is your problem is stemming from the Saw Mill maybe having a lower speed limit. Or, it is just possible that since it is a state highway, rather than an Interstate, the system somehow assumes that rate of travel will be higher on the Interstate. I find that the system dramatically overestimates arrival time (ETA) when I take a route that involves some state highways, rather than the interstate. I'm used to it being conservative (I can shave at least 1/2 hour off the ETA on a 3 hour trip). but when I took a trip to central CA last week, it was way off. After thinking about it for a bit, I attributed it to the fact that much of the route was a state road that isn't a limited access freeway.

You can modify the average speeds the system assigns to individual types of roads - but when I've played with that feature, I've found that it becomes even less accurate than the standard system.

Sorry I didn't really answer your question, but hope the info helps.
 

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It helps a lot to understand the seemingly idiosyncratic logic. It still begs the question as to why Google Maps, iOS, MotionX, and Waze all direct me toward the state highway rather than the interstate.

I'd used the "Avoid" route feature to bypass the interstate and force the GPS toward the state route, and the preferred route was quite convoluted. The alternative wasn't an interstate.
 

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I heard from a second-tier tech from Infiniti today. She suggested using Way Stations to store changes in the route, but said that ultimately, the GPS in the Q50 can override any stored routes in the car, depending upon traffic conditions. This is a bit ironic, since the vehicle has reverted back to the interstate regardless of fastest, shortest, or eco; the route changes I've stored haven't yet appeared. And I don't yet see any signs of Learned Routes. Looks like it's time for me to invest in a good iPhone holder- I'd been using MotionX, but prefer Waze, once I configure it not to show "Wazers" on the screen. I like the Q50 birdseye graphics and the colored traffic detail, but it's annoying to get pointed in the slower direction repeatedly. Oh well..

A related question, which perhaps deserves a separate post- I subscribed to Sirius Traffic Link. Is this separate add-on necessary for traffic graphics?
 

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I heard from a second-tier tech from Infiniti today. She suggested using Way Stations to store changes in the route, but said that ultimately, the GPS in the Q50 can override any stored routes in the car, depending upon traffic conditions. This is a bit ironic, since the vehicle has reverted back to the interstate regardless of fastest, shortest, or eco; the route changes I've stored haven't yet appeared. And I don't yet see any signs of Learned Routes. Looks like it's time for me to invest in a good iPhone holder- I'd been using MotionX, but prefer Waze, once I configure it not to show "Wazers" on the screen. I like the Q50 birdseye graphics and the colored traffic detail, but it's annoying to get pointed in the slower direction repeatedly. Oh well..

A related question, which perhaps deserves a separate post- I subscribed to Sirius Traffic Link. Is this separate add-on necessary for traffic graphics?
Very experienced with Waze. It has its benefits: fastest traffic notifications; police reports; road hazards. However, it really doesn't route any better than the Q50 navigation. I've been using them together for months. Waze doesn't have avoid areas, and it's waypoint logic is crap.

Funny, but as my old BMW navigation had no waypoints, I learned to create destinations so it would go the way I wanted. It was a kludge, but effective. It's still the best way to deal with routing the way you want to go.

Yes, you need Sirius Traffic subscription to incorporate into the car navigation. My experience is that Waze is quicker to notify of traffic situations. I let the Sirius Traffic expire.
 

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I learned to create destinations so it would go the way I wanted. It was a kludge, but effective. It's still the best way to deal with routing the way you want to go.

Yes, you need Sirius Traffic subscription to incorporate into the car navigation. My experience is that Waze is quicker to notify of traffic situations. I let the Sirius Traffic expire.
Do you now tap on Stored Routes, which include your waypoints, when you use the native GPS? How frequently do you find that they're actually included in your directions? Thanks!
 

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Do you now tap on Stored Routes, which include your waypoints, when you use the native GPS? How frequently do you find that they're actually included in your directions? Thanks!
Tried the stored route method only once, and it didn't go as expected. You see, I don't commute with this car, so I don't have many routine destinations (where I would need navigation). Also, I've thought it might be better to tell the navi what areas to avoid (certain toll booths) and have it dynamically calculate the route. The avoid method seems to be working, but have not comprehensively tested it, as there have been too many snowstorms and crappy weather.
 

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The GPS persistently gives me a slower route to work- the applications on my iPhone are all consistent with a faster, alternate route.
I gave up on internal GPS few months ago and rather use iPhone with Waze 99% of the time.
Last straw was the route from Manhattan to NJ through the Bronx in the middle of the night as the most "green"....
 

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I gave up on internal GPS few months ago and rather use iPhone with Waze 99% of the time.
Last straw was the route from Manhattan to NJ through the Bronx in the middle of the night as the most "green"....
Glad you understand my frustration. What a shame to have this technology and real estate go to waste.

After tier two tech said the navigation errors were a Sirius problem, and bounced me to them, I phoned Infiniti Customer Service back- why should I be the go-between for them? Long story short, the Navigation specialist was "at a loss" because he didn't have a Q50 simulator in front of him. So I gave him my route, but in the the middle of the day. He claimed the Nav "got it right." The defensiveness and double talk were disingenuous. Not a great way to start off a relationship with Infiniti.
 

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Tonight I had a chance to test the avoid feature of the Q50 navigation. It works perfectly; unlike the one in my RX350 which has the avoid feature that fails 100%.

Anyway, my purpose was to create an avoid at the NB I-95 toll booths, at the Susquehanna River. The preferred route, for locals, is the bridge on parallel US 40. Although, both bridges have the same $8 toll, the US 40 bridge has a special deal for EZ-Pass customers: unlimited crossings for $10/year.

The way I did it was to create an avoid box only on the NB toll side, at the toll booth. I did this at maximum magnification. BTW, going SB, nearby the avoid area, the navi warns you that you are in proximity.

So tonight, it routed perfectly at the exit prior to the bridge, to US 40, and home.

I wish I could get the Lexus to do this, as it's the daily driver.

For us Waze users, there is no way to set this up. Also Waze has never learned this preferred route, after using it for months.

Kudos to Infiniti navigation.
 

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I've never found a nav system that routes me an exact way I want to go. I usually just use it for last mile directions or if I'm in an area where I truly don't know the roads - in that case the nav directions are better than getting lost!

I find it funny that when people get nav for the first time they blindly follow the route given instead of going the way they normally would and it takes them much longer to get where they are going. If you know the rotue, I say just go the way you know and nav will update along the way. It's not perfect but it works.
 
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