[andrew]

A bit of an add to for GTM, dyno shot is near the end..... 293HP / 253 Torque

 

[z06seal]

Curious what the hybrid would dyno
oh and that's a mustang dyno? they give less HP. that thing made close to 320rwhp I would say on a dynojet

 

[andrew]

It says No Mustang. i think it's a bit of a joke since it's an import tuner shop.

 

[z06seal]

It says No Mustang. i think it's a bit of a joke since it's an import tuner shop.

No Andrew, it says MD Mustang for Mustang dyno.

Here is Mustang Dynanometer's logo

and here is the logo on the dyno

Mustang Dynos always will dyno lower than a dynojet, which is usually the standard for measuring RWHP in tuning shops.

 

[z06seal]

Here is a post copied from LS1tech for your reading pleasue if you want to know the differences between two dynos. I would say it would show about 10% on a dynojet.

DynoJets are inertia dynos, and have been around for years, much longer than any type of load cell dyno. Inertia dyno's work on the principle of the acceleration of a known mass over time. Their rollers are the known mass. Weighing in at over 2500lbs or so. Your car gets strapped down to the machine, and the dyno collects it's data. It is able to calculate horsepower by measuring the acceleration in rpm of the rollers in regards to RPM. This is why gearing can affect the dyno results, more on that in a bit. Now that the dyno has recorded the horsepower curve, it can take the integral of that curve and get the torque curve. Since the dyno’s power calculations are based on the acceleration of mass over time in regards to RPM, gearing is very important. Since a vehicle with a lower gear ratio can accelerate the mass to a higher speed using less engine RPM, it will show a higher horsepower number than a car with a higher gear ratio. If a car is able to accelerate the dyno’s rollers from 200rpm (roller) to 300rpm (roller)in 1500rpm (engine), then the dyno is going to record more power than a car that did that in 2000rpm (engine).

Now we go to Mustang dyno’s and other loaded dyno’s. Our Mustang MD-1100SE dyno’s rollers weigh 2560lbs. That is the actual mass of the rollers, much like the DynoJet. That’s about where all the similarities end. When we get a car on our dyno, we enter two constants for the dyno’s algorithms. One being the vehicle weight, the other being what’s called “Horsepower At 50mph”. This is a number that represents how much horsepower it takes for the vehicle to push the air to maintain 50mph. This is used as the aerodynamic force. Mustang dyno’s are also equipped with a eddy currant load cell. Think of a magnetic brake from a freight train. This magnetic brake can apply enough resistance to stall a big rig. Off one side of the eddy currant load cell, there is a cantilever with a 5volt reference load sensor (strain gage). As the rollers are spinning this load sensor is measuring the actual torque being applied. So as the rollers spin, the load sensor is measuring the force being applied, sending that information to the dyno computer, taking into account the two constants entered earlier, computing the amount of resistance needed to be applied to the rollers to load the car so that the force of the rollers resistance is as close to the force the car sees on the street. The dyno is then able to calculate the total force being applied to the rollers in torque, and then taking the derivative of that torque curve to arrive at the horsepower curve. Since torque is an actual force of nature, like gravity and electricity, it can be directly measured. Horsepower is an idea that was thought up by man, and cannot be directly measured, only calculated.

I like to state it like this. . . I start by asking how much your car weighs, lets say 3500lbs. Now you take your car and you make a make a WOT rip in your tallest non overdrive gear, how much mass is your engine working against? 3500lbs right? Now you strap your car on a DynoJet and you make a WOT in the same gear, how much mass is your engine working against? 2500lbs right? Now you strap your car on a Mustang dyno, how much mass is your engine working against? 2500lbs. Plus the resistance being applied by the eddy current generator. We’ve seen anywhere for 470lbs of resistance to over 700lbs of resistance as measured in PAU force in the data logs. So which one is more accurate? Well they their both accurate. If a DynoJet dyno says you made 460rwhp, then you made 460rwhp. If a Mustang dyno says you made 460rwhp, you also made 460rwhp. Now which one of those numbers best represents what your car is doing when its on the street. That’s a different question.

The most important thing to remember is that a dyno is a testing tool. If the numbers keep increasing, then you’re doing the right thing. We try to look over at NET gain, instead of Peak HP numbers. A 30rwhp increase is a 30rwhp increase regardless of what dyno it is on.

Now I can address how to calculate the difference between one type of dyno and another. Simply put, you can’t. Because Mustang dyno’s have so many more variables, it’s not a simple percentage difference. We’ve had cars that made 422rwhp on our Dyno, two days later make 458rwhp on a DynoJet the next day. We’ve also had cars that made 550rwhp on our dyno, make 650+rwhp on a DynoJet a few days later at another shops Dyno Day. For instance, my 2002 Z28 with a forged internal LS6 Heads/Cam/Intake, makes 460rwhp on our dyno. I thought that was a little low, since I’ve had cam only LS6 Z06 vettes make 450rwhp. So I overlaid the dyno graphs. Guess what, the PAU force for my car was almost 200lbs more than the C5Z06 that made 450rwhp with cam only. So I entered the weight and horsepower at 50 number for a C5Z06 and did another horsepower rip with my car. The only reason I did that was to compare Apples to Apples. This time my car made 490rwhp, no other changes. Now I don’t go around saying my car made 490rwhp, I say what it actually did with the correct information entered into the computer. It made 460rwhp. Now if I ever get a chance to take it on a DynoJet (which I plan to in the spring), I have no doubts it’ll be over 500rwhp. I know this based on airflow and fuel consumption on the data logs.

But since we’re asked this question constantly we're fairly conservative, and hence tell our customers that the difference is closer to 6-7%, but as you make more power, and the more your car weighs, the difference increases as well. You must remember, Dyno's regardless of the type are tuning tools, and are in no means meant to tell people how fast their car is. Now which one is more "real world" is a totally different question. I like to explain it like this..... If you drive your car in a situation in which you have no mass and you're in a vacuum, so basically if you do intergalactic racing in space, use a DynoJet. If your car sees gravity, and has an aerodynamic coefficient, and you race on a planet called Earth, then use a Mustang Dyno

 

[Platinumv37]

 

[Platinumv37]

This is a Hybrid model which was dynode at Z1 in Georgia

 

[andrew]

Platinumv37, The hybrid is kind of an odd beast.
The way they ramp acceleration in that video which is very slow and linear, I don't think the full punch of the electric motor would kick in.
Or if it did it would be near the end at max RPM.

You get the full punch of the electric motor when you stomp on it.
Not from a slow linear acceleration.

Maybe someone else with a hybrid can comment on that??
I could be way wrong here.

 

[Ts350z]

Jack from hp logic tuned my 350z he is by far the best of the best south Florida has to offer .i miss having someone I can truly trust for tuning .there are a few shops here in Charlotte North Carolina but I've yet to be impressed with their abilities from what I've seen

 

[erasat]

Platinumv37, The hybrid is kind of an odd beast.
The way they ramp acceleration in that video which is very slow and linear, I don't think the full punch of the electric motor would kick in.
Or if it did it would be near the end at max RPM.

You get the full punch of the electric motor when you stomp on it.
Not from a slow linear acceleration.

Maybe someone else with a hybrid can comment on that??
I could be way wrong here.

That's correct, having its peaked torque at 0 RPM, you just need to stomp on the gas from a complete stop and you will know what this beast is capable of. Well, at least based on my own experience and not by any scientific measures...

 

[E_Shadow]

LOL this is priceless

 

[Platinumv37]

LOL this is priceless

I'd love to hear this?!

 

[E_Shadow]

Hear what? Lol

Dyno charts and videos of stock cars?

Funny

 

[bova80]

Hear what? Lol

Dyno charts and videos of stock cars?

Funny

baseline? gotta start somewhere.

 

[E_Shadow]

waste of time and money. who needs a dyne chart if infiniti has all the specs on the car. plug it into excel and get the same chart. but w.e.

 

[TheRealMikeK]

waste of time and money. who needs a dyne chart if infiniti has all the specs on the car. plug it into excel and get the same chart. but w.e.

whp is more informative than bhp, especially when you want baseline numbers

 

[Platinumv37]

waste of time and money. who needs a dyne chart if infiniti has all the specs on the car. plug it into excel and get the same chart. but w.e.

I don't know what your deal is but if you need an explanation here you go. I'm getting my car tuned using uprev osiris and had to have the files pulled from my ecu in order to send the info needed to uprev so that they can flash my ecu and I can have my car tuned. I was there and decided to do a baseline run with the few modifications I have done. By just adding high flow cats and an exhaust I lost torque which means I have to retune the edu to gain back the power I lost and then some. You might not think an intake and exhaust will make more power then the factory units but it does with the proper tuning. If your so against performance modifications then why do I keep seeing you in these types of threads.

 

[ikagan]

Very impressive numbers for a stock 3.7.
A typical G37 is usually 268-278 on a mustang dyno.
My E36 M3 (3.0) used to do 195-200RWH stock. Was rated 240HP by BMW.
335i is usually 280RWH on a mustang dyno, and we all know its way underrated
at 300 crank HP.

 

[Yougotriceq50s]

That means the stock q50s has abt 345 to 350 horse to the crank? And infinitis humble on the numbers like bmw ?

 

[VQ37Tuner]

Ah the heart breaker dyno.