[Sebabukos]

Hi,

Of course i know that usually q50s is compared with Lexus IS, but for me the choice is between Q50S and Lex 450h.

What do you think about Lexus 450h?

 

[InfinitiPlusOne]

A better comparison is Q50 Hybrid vs Lexus GS450h.
A fully loaded GS450h RWD is at least $10K more than my fully loaded Q50S Hybrid RWD.
For me, the Q50S Hybrid is the best bang for the buck.

 

[Sinecure]

I assume you mean the GS450h, not the RX450h (SUV).

That's the only Lexus sedan I enjoy driving. It is smooth and quiet, and I definitely like the wood interior they use.

It is bigger than the Q50h. If back seat leg room is critical, the Lexus will win. In general, if you have back seat passengers, especially full-sized ones, the Lexus is a nicer option.

I find the Q50 handles much more nimbly and in general I find it more fun to drive. The electronic safety features in the Q50 are amazing compared to the Lexus. The cameras, lane control, blind spot warning, back-up collision intervention and active lane control are unparalleled. The Q50 hybrid is also notably more powerful/faster. Neither car is a slouch, but the Q50 puts a big smile on my face when I press my right foot down.

Go drive them both and see which you like better. And if you think the Lexus is worth $10-20K more.

 

[hunter81]

I would get a Q50 Hybrid, but that's because I really don't like the design of Lexus' hybrid. It's powertrain looks indirect, has two, isolated planetary gear transmissions, two motors (one of which only charges the battery and starts the engine), and the car is actually a tick slower than the GS350 F Sport despite having a little more horsepower and what I assume would be a higher torque rating. If it's going to wear a 450 badge then it should have noticeably better performance than a 350, not worse. That being said all anyone can do on here is share their opinions for your consideration. Ultimately you have to pick what you really want. I'm lucky in that the Q50S Hybrid fits me almost like a glove in having what is important to me in a car, but there are some people who downright hate the Q50.

 

[yardie876]

Given the choice, I'd ultimately go for the 450h (yes, I love the GS, sue me lol). The justification is that the power train in the 450h is tried and true, the adaptive suspension is great, and realizability is top notch. There are also little features that it has over the Q like keyless entry on all doors, excellent fit/finish and quality materials inside, etc.

I really like the Q50h too though. Very quick, superior technology (when it works), has a traditional automatic (vs cvt in the Lex) and looks darn good too.

Like others have said, it all comes down to spending the extra $10k+ for the GSh if you find the extra creature comforts in it worth it.

+1 for GSh


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[afrosheen]

I wouldn't brag on the GS450h's back seat room. The Q50 may actually have it beat here. My GS350 (same model, diff drivetrain) with me in it might fit a small kid behind me but that's about it. I'm 6' 7" and don't even have the seat fully pushed back, but that back knee room is tight. Due to the roofline, the trunk gets priority over rear passenger space. It does have a VERY usable trunk though. It's wide and deep but I miss Infiniti's "hidden arms" for the trunk lid. The GS's trunk lid arms intrude into the trunk space.

Now the LS on the other hand...it's practically a limo in comparison, but it's also a much larger car and waaaayyy more expensive.

Ultimately, back seats and trunks aside, I'd say the cars have two completely different personalities. The GS450h won't be nearly as sporty as the Q50h. Remember, the Q50h is marketed as a sport hybrid, and the torque punch off the line is worth it. Final word, Infiniti only badges the Q50h as a Skyline in Japan. None of the other Q50 models get that designation.

If you want a gas sipping reliable car, both fit. If you want more of a highway cruiser than a canyon carver, go for the Lexus. If back seats are for decoration and as long as the trunk fits a few golf clubs you're happy, get the Q50h. You really can't go wrong with either one, just be honest with your intent before you go drive them.

 

[vices]

I would get a Q50 Hybrid, but that's because I really don't like the design of Lexus' hybrid. It's powertrain looks indirect, has two, isolated planetary gear transmissions, two motors (one of which only charges the battery and starts the engine), and the car is actually a tick slower than the GS350 F Sport despite having a little more horsepower and what I assume would be a higher torque rating. If it's going to wear a 450 badge then it should have noticeably better performance than a 350, not worse. That being said all anyone can do on here is share their opinions for your consideration. Ultimately you have to pick what you really want. I'm lucky in that the Q50S Hybrid fits me almost like a glove in having what is important to me in a car, but there are some people who downright hate the Q50.

This. The 450h in my area was 10K off and only was a few Ks off the F-sport. I didn't like its CVT though. If you're thinking of the 450h, I would recommend checking out the regular 350 Fsport. You do get ~10mpg more on the hybrid, but the driving characteristics aren't that far apart, and may even be worse if you don't like the CVT.

 

[afrosheen]

I still can't believe they put the CVT in the GS450h. Crap like that belongs in Altimas and Nissan Cubes where you can wind up a 4 cylinder and pretend to shift.

 

[Sebabukos]

I assume you mean the GS450h, not the RX450h (SUV).

Of course i was thinking about GS

For me, the biggest minus of GS is remote touch... it's hard to operate it while you're driving. Also exterior is not so impressive as e.g. Q50s. And the trunk is really small, but lets say that it is not so important for me. Probably all other thing looks fantastic for me, and I really love it.

But to be honest, I rather go for Q50s becouse of better price, more fun, nicer exterior, and all technological things. The only problem with q50 is a big number of issues and thats why i didnt buy it yet and still think about the possibilities

 

[hunter81]

I wouldn't brag on the GS450h's back seat room. The Q50 may actually have it beat here. My GS350 (same model, diff drivetrain) with me in it might fit a small kid behind me but that's about it. I'm 6' 7" and don't even have the seat fully pushed back, but that back knee room is tight. Due to the roofline, the trunk gets priority over rear passenger space. It does have a VERY usable trunk though. It's wide and deep but I miss Infiniti's "hidden arms" for the trunk lid. The GS's trunk lid arms intrude into the trunk space.

Now the LS on the other hand...it's practically a limo in comparison, but it's also a much larger car and waaaayyy more expensive.

Ultimately, back seats and trunks aside, I'd say the cars have two completely different personalities. The GS450h won't be nearly as sporty as the Q50h. Remember, the Q50h is marketed as a sport hybrid, and the torque punch off the line is worth it. Final word, Infiniti only badges the Q50h as a Skyline in Japan. None of the other Q50 models get that designation.

If you want a gas sipping reliable car, both fit. If you want more of a highway cruiser than a canyon carver, go for the Lexus. If back seats are for decoration and as long as the trunk fits a few golf clubs you're happy, get the Q50h. You really can't go wrong with either one, just be honest with your intent before you go drive them.

The Q50 Hybrid is sold as a Skyline Hybrid in Japan while the G37 is sold as the Skyline. I imagine they will eventually begin selling the 3.7 Q50 as a Skyline and stop selling the G37 at some point. Who knows. I lived there so I know Japan/Japanese companies can do some weird things. I don't know why they never came out with Acura, Infiniti, and Lexus initially there like they did everywhere else. It would have saved them some headache that Nissan is going through now trying to sell Infiniti badged "Nissan Skylines" in Nissan dealerships to save on creating a whole new Infiniti distribution system. That being said, I do like that some of the cabs in Tokyo are Q70/Nissan Fugas. Very klassy.

 

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The Q50 Hybrid is sold as a Skyline Hybrid in Japan while the G37 is sold as the Skyline. I imagine they will eventually begin selling the 3.7 Q50 as a Skyline and stop selling the G37 at some point. Who knows. I lived there so I know Japan/Japanese companies can do some weird things. I don't know why they never came out with Acura, Infiniti, and Lexus initially there like they did everywhere else. It would have saved them some headache that Nissan is going through now trying to sell Infiniti badged "Nissan Skylines" in Nissan dealerships to save on creating a whole new Infiniti distribution system. That being said, I do like that some of the cabs in Tokyo are Q70/Nissan Fugas. Very klassy.

When I went it seemed most Taxis were Toyota Crown's until I got to Yokohoma...then I noticed tons of Fuga taxis.couldn't figure it out until I drove past the Nissan H.Q..very nice building and location

 

[hunter81]

Yea, most of the cabs are those really basic Toyota Crowns, but they are always spotless on the inside and it seems I remember the drivers wear gloves! Maybe I'm imagining that.

I'd love to see the headquarters in real life. I've seen a picture.

 

[hunter81]

Here's a really good article from Australia comparing the GS 450h and a Q50S Hybrid. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but they do a good techy rundown of the two. Apparently when left to it's own devices the GS doesn't make as extensive a use of EV as the Q50. There is apparently a console button in the GS to make the car go into EV mode, but they said it isn't practical in normal driving because the car accelerates too slowly. Conversely, they liked the Q50s ability to use the EV mode for moderate pedal travel after coasting at highway speeds before the gas kicked in. Overall, seems the GS uses EV a bit less often than the Q50 when left to its own devices, i.e. not using the console button to make the car go into EV mode. I was surprised that they ended up getting slightly better real world fuel economy in the AWD Q50 than they did in the GS despite the GS having a higher mpg (lower L/100 km) rating.


Infiniti Q50 Hybrid and Lexus GS 450h: Technology Feature - motoring.com.au

 

[Sinecure]

Interesting that they charge more for metallic paint in Australia.

 

[shend3193]

Interesting that they charge more for metallic paint in Australia.

Don't get any ideas Doesn't the Q50 only come with metallic paint anyway? If so, that's a cheap move for AUS retailers to factor the price out from specs, only to add it to the bottom line later.

 

[hunter81]

The Oz dollar is way to strong to begin with.