Starting to re-think the car

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selzini

Discussion Starter · Aug 18, 2013

When I sat down with the general manager in May, and made the good deal that I have coming up, I had no doubts about getting the car. I told him then that I didn't have to trade my G - at the time it had only about 38,000 miles, though it was more than six years old. Besides style, comfort and performance, the big plus has been the reliability, and the clincher was that it would be a hybrid. I just didn't have a valid reason to buy it, otherwise. If you members think that YOU'RE frustrated with the technology, put yourself in my shoes. Long-time members here know my opinion of the excess technology, and my difficulty in dealing with it, even when it's working perfectly. Right now, I can't possibly see myself driving the Q50, all the while wondering when things are going to stop working. Now, I'm not going to be using the phone or the myriad apps, except that the sound system HAS to work with no possibility of a freeze. I've never used a navigation system, so it isn't important to me, but just the idea that it will become useless is one more thing that has me turned off. The same goes for the safety things, such as the back-up camera. I have continued to hope that these issues would be fixed by the time I got the car. And I hated the idea of getting my deposit back and looking elsewhere later, because of the deal that I've negotiated, which I know I won't be able to get with someone else. So, in a way, I'm glad my car is still out there in "the cloud." I've got to figure out what to do when it DOES hit the dealership.

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cr1t1calm4ss

· #2 · Aug 18, 2013

This car doesnt seem like your cup of tea, (outside of the issues as well, since the tech is not your thing) Why dont you look into a 3 series or even the new C-class when it comes out. That car is due for its refresh as well.

I would stay away from Infiniti and Audi because the tech may be too much for your liking. I definitely understand your point with the tech. I used to have to deal with clients that didnt like banking online, the tough thing is that is the direction of the world, tech is evolving more everyday. And with that it will be more important in our lives. Tough decision, but if you have to second guess it, move to another competitor. There are a lot of great cars out there.

selzini

Discussion Starter · #3 · Aug 18, 2013

cr1t1calm4ss said:
This car doesnt seem like your cup of tea, (outside of the issues as well, since the tech is not your thing) Why dont you look into a 3 series or even the new C-class when it comes out. That car is due for its refresh as well.

I would stay away from Infiniti and Audi because the tech may be too much for your liking. I definitely understand your point with the tech. I used to have to deal with clients that didnt like banking online, the tough thing is that is the direction of the world, tech is evolving more everyday. And with that it will be more important in our lives. Tough decision, but if you have to second guess it, move to another competitor. There are a lot of great cars out there.

Nope. Though I'm obviously not thrilled with all the tech, most of it is of no consequence to me, and I would adjust once I set things the way I want them. As I said, I won't be using the phone or most of the apps, but the audio has to be perfect, and I can't conceive of one that only works "most of the time." I love the styling of the Q50, the idea of having a hybrid with a great deal of power, the interior, and I've always touted the reliability of the brand. If the problems are fixed, then it will be great to have. As far as BMW and Mercedes are concerned, that will never happen. In my opinion, they are blandly styled, and very much over-priced(just for the heck of it, I went to the Mercedes site and looked at the CLA. Of the ten different exterior colors, seven of them cost extra, from $750 to over $2,000 - ridiculous). To be in the same price range, they also would be greatly underpowered, and have less equipment, compared to Infiniti. AND, they have consistent reliability issues. I hope that Infiniti has a fix for things - otherwise, it looks like I'll just be happy with my current car.

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vices

· #4 · Aug 18, 2013

What about the Lincoln MKZ? I don't know if you can wait for the new Acura TL/TLX next year, or the new Cadillac CTS end of the year/early next. I don't think you'd be happy with a Lexus as the audio controls would take awhile to get used to.

SteinyD

· #5 · Aug 18, 2013

selzini said:
Nope. Though I'm obviously not thrilled with all the tech, most of it is of no consequence to me, and I would adjust once I set things the way I want them. As I said, I won't be using the phone or most of the apps, but the audio has to be perfect, and I can't conceive of one that only works "most of the time." I love the styling of the Q50, the idea of having a hybrid with a great deal of power, the interior, and I've always touted the reliability of the brand. If the problems are fixed, then it will be great to have. As far as BMW and Mercedes are concerned, that will never happen. In my opinion, they are blandly styled, and very much over-priced(just for the heck of it, I went to the Mercedes site and looked at the CLA. Of the ten different exterior colors, seven of them cost extra, from $750 to over $2,000 - ridiculous). To be in the same price range, they also would be greatly underpowered, and have less equipment, compared to Infiniti. AND, they have consistent reliability issues. I hope that Infiniti has a fix for things - otherwise, it looks like I'll just be happy with my current car.

So, then why aren't you looking at the 2013 G37 or even the M35/37 ? You'll have the performance, good fit and finish, a reliable moderate set of technology without the 'inconveniences' that don't interest you anyway.

selzini

Discussion Starter · #6 · Aug 18, 2013

SteinyD said:
So, then why aren't you looking at the 2013 G37 or even the M35/37 ? You'll have the performance, good fit and finish, a reliable moderate set of technology without the 'inconveniences' that don't interest you anyway.

Why spend more money for basically the same car(G37 -see my signature). And though the M is a good car, it's a bigger car that I want. I would be happier driving my G.

eldithomaso

· #7 · Aug 18, 2013

Works for Me.... Knock Wood

selzini said:
When I sat down with the general manager in May, and made the good deal that I have coming up, I had no doubts about getting the car. I told him then that I didn't have to trade my G - at the time it had only about 38,000 miles, though it was more than six years old. Besides style, comfort and performance, the big plus has been the reliability, and the clincher was that it would be a hybrid. I just didn't have a valid reason to buy it, otherwise. If you members think that YOU'RE frustrated with the technology, put yourself in my shoes. Long-time members here know my opinion of the excess technology, and my difficulty in dealing with it, even when it's working perfectly. Right now, I can't possibly see myself driving the Q50, all the while wondering when things are going to stop working..... So, in a way, I'm glad my car is still out there in "the cloud." I've got to figure out what to do when it DOES hit the dealership.

If you can wait then hang on a bit. It's very different from the G. My week with the fully loaded hybrid shows the technology is reliable. I've had no freeze-ups. It's not perfect and not super fast like a tablet but it's pretty good for how old the OS really is. For now other than for the connected search, it's not really that useful without an Android phone. I am not wasting my time connecting my i-Phone 5 with a cable every time I get in and out of the car for a data/app connection.

I am waiting for the update later next month to make a final judgement.

afrosheen

· #8 · Aug 18, 2013

Yeah Selzini, what eldithomaso said. The system is new, and they're still actively debugging it. I think you'll be pleased to wait a month or two before passing final judgment on the Q50.

Remember, this is half of Infiniti's sales. They are probably hiring developers right now just to throw more resources at getting things fixed up. They can't afford for this system to fail or get dinged in the press for any amount of time.

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selzini

Discussion Starter · #9 · Aug 18, 2013

vices said:
What about the Lincoln MKZ? I don't know if you can wait for the new Acura TL/TLX next year, or the new Cadillac CTS end of the year/early next. I don't think you'd be happy with a Lexus as the audio controls would take awhile to get used to.

MKZ - a glorified Ford. After the issues I had with them many years ago
(a dangerous transmission in their Taurus/Sable), which they
refused to admit, I swore off them.

TL/TLX - boring - too disconcerting - styling, though being a Honda is a
plus. Not sure if they would have the performance of the
Infiniti.

CTS - 1) much too big, 2) can't stand the styling of the entire line, and
3) IT'S A CADILLAC!

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SteinyD

· #10 · Aug 18, 2013 (Edited)

selzini said:
Why spend more money for basically the same car(G37 -see my signature). And though the M is a good car, it's a bigger car that I want. I would be happier driving my G.

Because you've stated yours is several years old, you aren't interested in the tech. Even if the tech were working now, tech is tech. Software is software. It is no more reliable in a car than on your computer. It is based on similar technology to what is in your smartphone and on your desktop. I promise you there will be a lock up or other issue requiring an update or restart of your car several times during the life of your car. If you aren't up for that, I wouldn't choose the Q50. It is jacked up on tech and a very different car than the G is.

If you wouldn't consider the 2013 G because it is the same car as what you have today, then maybe you are at end of interest with Infiniti.

BTW, please don't read into this. I'm not attempting to be rude in any way, just offering another point of view. I am also far from defending Infiniti. As you probably know from my prior posts, I'm still without my pre-ordered car and have been waffling myself. However, I am a technologist by trade and hobby. So far, I haven't seen or read anything about this car to suggest there are any safety or mechanical issues with it. As such, the software issues can be resolved. Again, that isn't to say once they get through the bulk of them that it will never happen again or future updates won't cause other software issues.

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selzini

Discussion Starter · #11 · Aug 18, 2013

I appreciate the comments. I just don't know whether I should get it now. If I wait a couple of months, hoping for a fix, I know I'll lose the deal that I have, which would probably cost me about $2,000. If I get it now, and the problems aren't fixed, those in the Southeast would be seeing mushroom clouds over Chattanooga every time the thing freezes.

What to do.

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In AWD We Trust

· #12 · Aug 18, 2013

I'd wait for 2015...patience pays off. Meanwhile drive the G.

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RocketsFan

· #13 · Aug 18, 2013

You're basically saying you want to pay $2000 less to possibly be aggravated more by the software locking up. So once you've paid $2000 less, now you get to be tortured until it's fixed. lol.

If it were me, I'd wait 1-6 months and see how things go. They may even be dealing some by then. You may only have to pay $1000-$1500 more. Unless I see fixes before then, that's what I'll be doing. That and probably go looking at the IS 350 or hopefully see what the TLX will look like by the time it comes out around Spring (hopefully).

SteinyD

· #14 · Aug 18, 2013

In AWD We Trust said:
I'd wait for 2015...patience pays off. Meanwhile drive the G.

I'd agree that if he isn't hating his current car, I'd wait it out. Otherwise, I'm afraid for Selezni with a low technology tolerance and tolerance for technology failure, this may never be the car that he fails to drive off a cliff. This car just became a big 'techno-gadget'. I've had a fair number of freezes with my '10 G37x over the last 38 months that I've had it. Freezes of my smartphone pairing, freeze of GPS, GPS responding slowly, etc. Many times this was resolvable the next time I turned off the ignition. Sometimes it was patience.

I don't think the Q50 will be any better in this regard. It is software driven and beholden to the quality of the software written and the OS and hardware it is supporting. If the technology tolerance is low, I would not recommend this car.

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jkay

· #15 · Aug 19, 2013

I understand your frustrations. If it were me, I'd wait it out a bit. Get your deposit back and then in a few months, if the bugs are worked out, hold out until you can get the same deal you currently have.

Truth be told, the dealers are being pigs with a lot of these sales at or above MSRP. Hey, they have a right to be if people are willing to pay it. Once things normalize in terms of supply and demand, and I don't see that as too far off, you should be able to get a deal. Don't let that $2000 make you feel pressured into jumping into something you might regret.

Many if us have leases that are ending so we don't have much of a choice - get a Q now or get something else. You have a choice and that's a good thing.

If I were you, I'd wait it out. No sense rushing into something that isn't working properly if you don't have to. Frankly, I don't like rushing into something half-baked when I DO have to.

See my signature line - relax . . . It's just a car. . .

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blackbeauty

· #16 · Aug 19, 2013

selzini said:
MKZ - a glorified Ford. After the issues I had with them many years ago
(a dangerous transmission in their Taurus/Sable), which they
refused to admit, I swore off them.

TL/TLX - boring - too disconcerting - styling, though being a Honda is a
plus. Not sure if they would have the performance of the
Infiniti.

CTS - 1) much too big, 2) can't stand the styling of the entire line, and
3) IT'S A CADILLAC!

The G37 and the current TL both have the exact same 0-60 numbers, 5.4 secs even though the G37 has 23 more hp. That makes the TL better performing.

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bdbaity

· #17 · Aug 19, 2013

blackbeauty said:
The G37 and the current TL both have the exact same 0-60 numbers, 5.4 secs even though the G37 has 23 more hp. That makes the TL better performing.

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0-60 isn't a valid measure of performance. G37 does perform better than the TL.

blackbeauty

· #18 · Aug 19, 2013

bdbaity said:
0-60 isn't a valid measure of performance. G37 does perform better than the TL.

It's not the ONLY measure I agree but once of them and a very crucial one. 0-60 numbers are what manufacturers brag about when it comes to performance.

I have yet to see a single review on any car or a comparison between two cars that's without 0-60 numbers (SUVs exempted).

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Q50Aggie

· #19 · Aug 19, 2013

I would wait if I were you.

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selzini

Discussion Starter · #20 · Aug 19, 2013

I e-mailed my salesman this evening, voicing my concerns. I included the URLs of four of the threads here. And I hope Infiniti Chick doesn't mind, but I copied and pasted one of her recent rants into the e-mail; it outlined my reservations perfectly.

It should be interesting to see his(and the general manager's) reaction.

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