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What do you guys think? Are we settings ourselves up for disappointment?

People have fallen in love with one of the last true RWD sport car sedans available on the market: the Infiniti G37. It is a shock to many fans of the awesome car to find out that Infiniti has decided to cease production of the car, and come out with an all new replacement: the Infiniti Q50 sedan and coupe/convertible. So what can be expected on the newest version of our favorite sports car available on the market today? Will Infiniti ruin what has become on of the best RWD available cars on the market today with all of the new regulations that CAFE has been imposing on auto makers, forcing them to look at ways to preserve fuel economy and ditch performance? Will the Q50 follow the tracks of the other large companies and become lifeless and boring cars that are available from other companies such as Ford, Lexus and Mercedes, who have all toned down performance in hopes to gain market share and increase MPG?

Infiniti has created an all new gallery for the Q50 sedan, and the new styling is awesome. It is essentially the same goodness with an update in a few keys spots: The hood, the rear window, the tail and the side styling. The car looks very similar to the G37, and with the updates the car looks even more aggressive fast and up to date. By working on the styling and keeping the car as true to its roots as possible, Infiniti has done a great job at ensuring enthusiasts, loyalists and newcomers will all fall in love with the car and hopefully attract a larger percentage of the extremely competitive entry level competitive segment, which has automakers such as Audi, Mercedes, BMW and now Cadillac with the A4, C250, 328i and ATS respectively all scrambling to be the market leader.

Some of the potentially negative risks that Infiniti has taken with their all new Q50 is the difference in the steering technology from hydraulically assisted steering to power steering (although they do offer synthetic road feel), the absence of focus on MPG and the potentially fun reducing loss of the road feel that made the G37 so desirable by sports car enthusiasts. Will the Q50 be all we wanted and more? Only time will tell, but with Infinities newest entries such as the JX SUV, things are looking good and we just might get the next best thing in the ever competitive entry level luxury car segment.

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... why the doom and gloom tone when the car has yet to be tested? And a lot of their statements knock points off of their credibility. "...become lifeless and boring cars that are available from other companies such as Ford, Lexus and Mercedes, who have all toned down performance in hopes to gain market share and increase MPG?" As much as I don't like Lexus, its actually been the exact opposite as they have actually pumped some life into their cars recently. Looks like this was written on a slow day in the editing office.
 

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... why the doom and gloom tone when the car has yet to be tested? And a lot of their statements knock points off of their credibility. "...become lifeless and boring cars that are available from other companies such as Ford, Lexus and Mercedes, who have all toned down performance in hopes to gain market share and increase MPG?" As much as I don't like Lexus, its actually been the exact opposite as they have actually pumped some life into their cars recently. Looks like this was written on a slow day in the editing office.
Hi,

I authored this article over at carsoholics.com. Lexus has updated design substantially in the past few years, but if you take a look at the all new ES350, for example, they did not change anything regarding the power train, and the car is moving more toward the "wafting" old man car that we have all come to avoid than the sporty(sportier, i should say) ES300.

The car is larger, heavier, and far less sporty that the infiniti. If you look at the IS250, the new one is again, larger, power assist steering, same old, same old.

That being said, there is a chance that Infiniti will surprise us and the road feel (i am in LOVE with it) will hopefully at least stay as it is!
 

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Yah it a pretty negative piece. Though it does have me wondering about the change in steering technology. What is the difference between hydraulic steering and power steering? Is it a step down in tech?
 

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Hahaha LOL, true
Of course I'm being facetious, but only mildly.

I think anyone who watches or reads reviews of cars on a regular basis, I think the only criticism that BMW will ever get is about their price, but other than that, people seem almost embarrassed when they want to talk about poorly about BMW or Audi...

I'm not saying it's right or wrong...It's, just an observation. :cool:
 

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BMW and Audi, the brand people hate but would love to own. I actually wonder why there isn't more criticism against them. There long term reliability is on the bottom end when compared to other companies. I guess people are will to trade in long term reliability for the thrill of short term performance.
 

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There long term reliability is on the bottom end when compared to other companies. I guess people are will to trade in long term reliability for the thrill of short term performance.
Oh no---They're not on the bottom end at all, but they're definitely not near the top.

I think people get the perception mixed up about reliability for these cars.

I track the JD Power rankings from year to year and yeah, BMW is usually average when it comes to dependability, but it's nowhere near as low as people think it is. I think people like to factor in cost of maintenance towards BMW reliability, which I don't think is fair to use...
 

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Oh no---They're not on the bottom end at all, but they're definitely not near the top.

I think people get the perception mixed up about reliability for these cars.

I track the JD Power rankings from year to year and yeah, BMW is usually average when it comes to dependability, but it's nowhere near as low as people think it is. I think people like to factor in cost of maintenance towards BMW reliability, which I don't think is fair to use...
It isn't fair but its still worth consideration if you plan to keep the car. That is why I'd never own a German, I would only lease.

The parts are just too expensive.

I have no problem talking down on BMW and Audi and Mercedes. They have their own set of known problems. Their electronics aren't great and owners know it. Parts are expensive and owners know it.

The older BMW interiors were terrible - not that the G35 was any better.
 

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Oh no---They're not on the bottom end at all, but they're definitely not near the top.

I think people get the perception mixed up about reliability for these cars.

I track the JD Power rankings from year to year and yeah, BMW is usually average when it comes to dependability, but it's nowhere near as low as people think it is. I think people like to factor in cost of maintenance towards BMW reliability, which I don't think is fair to use...
I did a quick google and I'll admit that you're right. BMW is about average in the reliability ratings. In terms of problems per 100 cars they rank just below Subaru right in the middle of the pack.

Most Dependable Manufacturers - Cars.com

When costs of parts is added, which I think it is fair game, they drop much further down the list.

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I think the cost of parts and labor is what makes owning german a little bit difficult for me.

The maintenance frequency isn't any different. And problems arise for both japanese and german. But for german I'd say more frequently from what I've seen. Especially after the warranty period LOL
 

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Again, you still have to consider that you get what you pay for.

This isn't just some Ford Focus or a Jetta you're paying for to maintain...These are high performance cars.
 

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Of course. But that doesn't change how expensive BMW brake pads and rotors are..

Especially since I head to the AutoX events often. I'd be replacing by 335i rotors and pads so often I'd need to get another job to fund it! haha
 

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Of course. But that doesn't change how expensive BMW brake pads and rotors are..

Especially since I head to the AutoX events often. I'd be replacing by 335i rotors and pads so often I'd need to get another job to fund it! haha
Again, the comparison is totally fair though.

The 335i has bigger and better brakes than those other cars. It only makes sense for them to be more expensive!!

This is apples to oranges trying to put/compare BMW along with the rest. They're expensive for good reason... :( The question will always remain--how important is that high caliber of performance to you?
 

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Oh I completely understand that the BMWs are expensive for a reason.

So are Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Still doesn't change the fact that they are expensive. Which makes the Infiniti cars a better value.

I don't think BMW and value work well together.

The BMW is the nicer car - it's also more expensive and so is the maintenance.

So when you look at those payments and they seem similar you also have to consider how much parts will cost when the warranty is up. It's just worth mentioning.

Most people blow german cars off because they have high maintenance costs. it is because the labor and parts is more expensive - not because they require more maintenance.

In terms of reliability.. That one is a debate. I know some BMW owners who have had great ownership trouble free experiences and others who will never buy a BMW again.
 

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Oh I completely understand that the BMWs are expensive for a reason.

So are Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Still doesn't change the fact that they are expensive. Which makes the Infiniti cars a better value.

I don't think BMW and value work well together.

The BMW is the nicer car - it's also more expensive and so is the maintenance.
This is no longer a comparison to Infiniti. It's well understood that BMW has never been about value. We can all agree that for the most part, performance luxury companies such as BMW are not about value. They side with driver performance and aesthetics more than everything. It is a personal preference that most BMW drivers today acknowledge and fully understand. It's the same reason why people still buy Porsches, despite the fact that they tend to fall apart after a few years. These kinds of buyers never expect to look at "value" purely from a financial perspective.


So when you look at those payments and they seem similar you also have to consider how much parts will cost when the warranty is up. It's just worth mentioning.

Most people blow german cars off because they have high maintenance costs. it is because the labor and parts is more expensive - not because they require more maintenance.
I think people blow German cars off because they've never driven them. :D j/k

I would like to think that people who buy German cars typically know what they're getting into (especially now compared to 15 years ago). It's just one of those situations where if you can afford to buy it, you **** sure should be able to afford the cost to maintain it. As I said, it's just a natural tradeoff as you creep up higher towards performance oriented cars--and why most German owners almost always still lease even today. If you're looking for value, there are a lot of German cars out there with good track records and their maintenance costs aren't anywhere near as dire as their bigger boys (like AMGs, Ms, S-lines, 5.5L V8's...etc.).

Personally, I refuse to believe that on a general level, maintenance costs are rising in frequency and in costs over time (compared to 15 years ago anyway). Since 2008, every car company has been going out of their way to improve their lifespans with better transmissions, more reliable engines, and sturdier chassis. I think an educated consumer should be able to feel a lot safer today buying any car on the market right now and not worry about it falling apart after 80k miles--and by then, they're usually ready to trade up. Even on a very general level, it's safe to say that the more money the car costs, the consumer should expect to pay more for repairs. For the truly performance-minded, it shouldn't be an issue.


In terms of reliability.. That one is a debate. I know some BMW owners who have had great ownership trouble free experiences and others who will never buy a BMW again.
Yeah---and the same thing can and has been said about any car. It's interesting to note that volume for volume, the least reliable car and the most reliable car out there probably aren't as massively different in their overall # of defects/trending numbers as the average consumer might think. I know a lot of people driving around in what's considered on paper the most unreliable cars on the market right now--and they've had no problems at all.
 

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I really hope the Q50 doesn't become too popular like the 3-Series. I don't want to have the same car as everyone on the road. Driving home today I saw like 7-8 328xi's and I am starting to feel like the 3 Series is the "Camry" of the class. It just blends in.
 

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I really hope the Q50 doesn't become too popular like the 3-Series. I don't want to have the same car as everyone on the road. Driving home today I saw like 7-8 328xi's and I am starting to feel like the 3 Series is the "Camry" of the class. It just blends in.
Let me tell you something--

When it comes to Personal Practicality, the Infiniti has always been near the top of my list because it was one of those cars that you didn't see out on the road--it was a sleeper car, the dark horse on the road. When people see my car, the compliments mean so much more because it's probably their first time ever seeing a G37s let alone a dark purple car with red seats!

Personally, as much as I love Infiniti, I think BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus has had a stronghold in this segment and I don't see that changing a whole lot anytime soon,...however with the new ATS tearing up the streets and winning over critics and with people finding new life in Lexus as well as the criticisms coming out about BMW's newest steering system, I think this might be an important time for other companies like Infiniti and Cadillac to climb right in there.
 

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Actually for some reason Porsche gets rated very high on the reliability scale on a few reports. It could also be because of the low number of results to determine.

One thing is sure though - if you want to get in to modifying that BMW - parts are mad expensive for BMWs in the aftermarket scene - especially aero parts.
 
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