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Great stuff here SimpsonTide. I think your writing was fair and somewhat unbiased. I know you love to be the contrarian but I believe it's in everyone's best interests to keep an open mind (there's more to life than the Q50, yes). After this weekend and next week's lease rates, I may be driving off in a GS 350 FSport myself. Getting numbers quoted and test driving on Saturday.
 
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Glad you liked it. I think the front end is ghastly. I would never want my 6ft2 body in that car without the memory, easy exit steering wheel, etc. The mouse doesn't have a learning curve, it stays bad. The levels of the dash seem dated already. Love the customizable speedometer, wish Infiniti did that. Good thing people like different things, this car wouldn't make my top 10 list.
Top 10 list of what, exactly? :p I agree on the memory seating. I really don't understand why it's not there.

I'm sorry you had such a bad month with your GS, but if it were me, I'd look at this as a different car, especially considering the IS should have a more recent and altered version of the infotainment software. Having test driven both the IS350 and GS350, I believe I noticed some differences in how the multimedia/infotainment menus are mapped. I do concur that the system definitely needs to be more intuitive, but my 25 minutes with the car limited my attention to it. However, if you're truly not being draconian about your issues with the system ( ;) ), I will try and spend more time with the next time I decide to return for more testing.

Before I were to do so, I really would like to know specifically what issues you had with your GS350 so that I can see if the same issues exist on the IS. It sounded like you were stuggling with ease (menu navigation) moreso than control (mouse interaction). Was it a combination of both?

Also, have you seen the IS350 in person yet? I think I made it clear that for me, the performance of the car far outweighs a lot of the nitpicks I probably had with the actual look and design of the car. It ain't perfect, but as I said, it's something that's hard to convey in photos versus in person and up close. I really cannot stress enough how much of a difference it makes to see a car up close! :eek:
 
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Tks SimpsonTide985. Very complete review.

Did I miss something? What was your Q50 score
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I won't/can't do a proper review of the Q50 until I can take it out on the road.

That other thread was primarily just a preview/overview of my general thoughts on the look and the InTouch system. I probably only had about a good 5-10 minutes with the Q50 on that day. :eek:

I guess I could technically score the Looks/Personal Practicality right now. The rest would have to be scored later... :eek:
 
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Well done Sir. I wish I could have had the opportunity to drive one before making my decision. But so many things (allot that you mentioned) failed on practicality for me. And I was definitely not impressed with the interior (via photos). The interior really made the difference for me. I really am anxious for a Road & Track or Car & Driver Compare with these two. Or even one of them really just putting the Q through it's paces!
Again, great review!
Thanks..

But yeah--that's the thing about photos and perception. They can only go so far. My mother gave me some dangerous advice many years ago---"Test drives are free." :p If you want to truly be a thorough car shopper, you HAVE to take risks. If you're just a little bit curious about a new car and if you've got the time, go ahead and check it out. Go out and touch it and feel it up close. You never know what you might end up seeing for yourself once it's right there in front of you.

Funny thing is, I thought the same thing about the G37 interior. Although I really liked the refreshed interior for the 2011+ models, I still didn't really like the center dash nor did I like the red leather seats in photos. However, when I sat inside it and actually saw everything up close with my own eyes and I make sense of the material and the details, it can really make all the difference.
 
From the reviews from Europe, the IS hybrid doesn't drive as well as it's stuck with a CVT there. Also, I'm 5'10" and the space felt a little tight but livable. For anyone 6' and over, I don't think the IS would work for you (I'm assuming NTOwens is big since he's in the military... :) )
Matt Farah of The Smoking Tire is 6' 3" and he LOVED the seating of the IS350 in this video review. Space wasn't an issue for him.

 
I won't/can't do a proper review of the Q50 until I can take it out on the road.

That other thread was primarily just a preview/overview of my general thoughts on the look and the InTouch system. I probably only had about a good 5-10 minutes with the Q50 on that day. :eek:

I guess I could technically score the Looks/Personal Practicality right now. The rest would have to be scored later... :eek:
Sooooo.. what is it?!?!? ;)
 
Still not liking this headlight shape. Its taking a while for me to get used to the look.
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As for the rear, i like the shape and the way they redesigned the tail lights. I saw a white one yesterday on the road and it had a really nice side and rear profile but the front lights, really turned me off.
 
I have seen a white IS around in my neighborhood. I can't get past the design inside and out to even do a test drive. It's too polarizing for me.

Wonder if Nike will sue them for the swoosh.
 
Easily the worst headlight design in 50 years, regardless of model. This is the face of the car, and they gave it tiny, squinty eyes with some glitter eyeliner.

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This is much more coherent, simple, and elegant.

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You hit the nail on the head when you were pointing out the way it drives as being its best feature. It amazes me that the salesman I worked with only had us drive in a tiny loop around the dealership. I would have pressed him on it, but I had already written the car off because it was just a bit too small for my needs.

For those who can put up with the minor shortcomings, the IS350F should be a very entertaining car to drive.
You know, sometimes the test drive route can make ALL the difference. Don't let your salesperson keep you in the city traffic. Make sure you have your dealer that can get you to where you can really let loose.

The saleswoman I was with took me to a part of the city that I didn't know even existed. :p We got into an quiet and curvy stretch of road adjacent to a some new housing area of cul de sacs. She told me to just go for it. I went maybe 75% as hard as I could without going over 60mph---I pulled back a little because at that point I already knew that the car could take it. No sense getting too crazy and risk getting pulled over on a test drive. :p





Great write up! How is the sene of speed in comparison with the Q50? I wonder if the AWD with the 6 speed auto is as engaging as this Rwd 8speed. Guess ill have to wait until October when I'll make my final decision.
Then again living in NYC...there is only so much you can do on the BQE LOL
Haven't been able to take out a Q50 down here yet...
 
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Great review, agree on everything. BTW, the 328I handles better than the 335I
but not as good as the IS.
You know, that's the thing---the 328i is the lighter car and so even though it has the less powerful engine, you don't really feel any lack of power because of how well the car's weight is managed.

I felt that from a performance standpoint, the 335i was such a rocket and it shifts so well that it nearly makes up for its lack of road feel and steering precision, which were easily its biggest issues.

With that said, before it's all said and done, I hope to test drive a 2013 328i Sport/M Sport as well to see how it reacts differently. I test drove a 2011 328i a few years ago, but quite a few things have changed since then.
 
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Thanks for the review man! It kinda sucks how they limit your options as you get to the F Sport package! I was already turned off by the lack of hybrid and ultrasonic blue option then when I tried to configure an IS350 in Ultra White it made me get the Roja Red when I picked the F sport package! This had the potential for me but the lack of options just hurt them IMO! I would have gotten the IS300h in Ultrasonic Blue + black leather seats! Oh well...maybe in time they will loosen or broaden their options though!
This is what I don't get--

I've seen people on Lexus forums with the Ultrasonic Blue F-Sport--I'm not sure if Lexus offered it in that color for just a short while and discontinued it or what.

I will say this--the Q50 definitely has the edge in the regard that you can add the Sport package onto any and every exterior that you want. Limiting the F-Sport option to the standard gray, silver, red, black, and white exteriors seems too ubiquitous and will limit driver individuality..
 
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From the reviews from Europe, the IS hybrid doesn't drive as well as it's stuck with a CVT there. Also, I'm 5'10" and the space felt a little tight but livable. For anyone 6' and over, I don't think the IS would work for you (I'm assuming NTOwens is big since he's in the military... :) )
Yeah, sorry tallies. :p

6'1" is probably the tallest you want to be if you want to comfortably drive an IS350.
 
2011 328i (with sport pkg) has much better steering than the current 3 series.
Its night and day.

I drove the F30 335i and 328i (both with M package) back to back on a race track and the 4 cylinder definitely handles better. It is almost as fast but lacks the special feel/sound of the 6 cylinder. For fast straight line driving I would choose the six, for city or curvy mountain road the 4 is better and cheaper (also gets real 30 mpg in mix driving!).
 
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Great stuff here SimpsonTide. I think your writing was fair and somewhat unbiased. I know you love to be the contrarian but I believe it's in everyone's best interests to keep an open mind (there's more to life than the Q50, yes). After this weekend and next week's lease rates, I may be driving off in a GS 350 FSport myself. Getting numbers quoted and test driving on Saturday.
Yeah, the GS350 F-Sport is undoubtedly a solid car. Especially for a bigger guy like you, it's definitely a no-brainer space-wise. :D

If you go for it maybe you'll have better luck with the infotainment controls than BenW... :eek:
 
What the shiznit? Both of my moderators are leaving for Lexus? Srly?
 
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What the shiznit? Both of my moderators are leaving for Lexus? Srly?
wha? :eek:

I'm not leaving anything for anything....yet :p

I've got at least seven other cars I need to check out before I sign paperwork on anything. :)

So expect to see more test drive reviews in the next 2 months or so. :cool:

I've still got the CLA to check out, the Regal GS AWD, the S60 R-Design, I'm trying to get inside an Audi A5, ATS 2.0T, and a BMW 4-Series as well...I might even dip down and check out a Jetta GLI.
 
Yeah, the GS350 F-Sport is undoubtedly a solid car. Especially for a bigger guy like you, it's definitely a no-brainer space-wise. :D

If you go for it maybe you'll have better luck with the infotainment controls than BenW... :eek:
I haven't heard of anyone liking their new controls, it's a serious flaw for a very fun car. I also thought the seats were very uncomfortable. That's actually the reason why I gave it up. I haven't heard other people complain about that, but I have a slipped disc and every once in a while if a chair is just shapped a little oddly, it ends up causing me a lot of pain.
 
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