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Yeah, the weakest part of the GS is definitely its exterior. Maybe they can update its look in a few cycles because I think it's just a few tweaks away from being really interesting looking. Even in the F-Sport trim, the front end just doesn't do enough.

With my time with the IS350, I did bang my head a little while I was in getting situated in it the first time, but only before I got into a better position with the seat, which I recall had a lot of flexibility. As far as the cockpit goes, that's definitely a driver specific preference. It made me feel similar to driving a pony car that really wanted to hug you in and get you connected to the interior space. In fact, that's probably a really good description of how I felt about the interior in general---like a roomier and more upscale muscle car, which I'm sure was pretty much what they were going for.
 
Yeah, the weakest part of the GS is definitely its exterior. Maybe they can update its look in a few cycles because I think it's just a few tweaks away from being really interesting looking. Even in the F-Sport trim, the front end just doesn't do enough.

With my time with the IS350, I did bang my head a little while I was in getting situated in it the first time, but only before I got into a better position with the seat, which I recall had a lot of flexibility. As far as the cockpit goes, that's definitely a driver specific preference. It made me feel similar to driving a pony car that really wanted to hug you in and get you connected to the interior space. In fact, that's probably a really good description of how I felt about the interior in general---like a roomier and more upscale muscle car, which I'm sure was pretty much what they were going for.
I think the GS F-Sport in black looks pretty mean and bad-ass :

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Fantastic review! SimpsonTide985 you must make a site and upload all of your reviews from now on! It would be an instant hit!

That said, I like the IS350. The red interior does it more justice than just all black for sure.
 
The front looks like Darth Vader's helmet.
 
Okay, let me expand then.

Lexus did not come with a new design because it was an improvement over the previous one. They came up with a design because their thought process is "Hey guys, Audi is really doing well with these LED headlight things. What can we do? Let's separate them from the main headlight cluster and beat the consumer over the head with a "Captain Obvious" hammer to make sure they know we have LED headlights too!!!"

When it comes to design, Toyota/Lexus does not have an ounce of originality in their DNA. When they first debuted, they copied Mercedes. The LS has always copied the S-class. Remember the just-discontinued SC 430? Yeah, an Audi TT mated with the first gen Mercedes SLK and the result was the abomination christened SC430. Now all car maker are copying the Europeans in having a common set of design traits that they want exhibit across their whole product line up. Mercedes, BMW, and relatively recently Audi and to some extent Jaguar have been doing this for a while now.

Why did they do that? Because when these car brands were first born, you needed huge radiator grills for cooling, and car design overall had not matured like it has today. So they chose the radiator grill as the canvas on which to work on in oder to differentiate themselves from other brands. Because initially the doors, head lights, tires, wheels, were all pretty much same across car makers. Over time, as things evolved and manufacturing got better and capability to form complex shapes in metal stampings got better, car makers started incorporating more unique designs. The BMW Hoffmeister Kick, for example. European designs today is a result of literally decades of design evolution.

Lexus decided they want to get in on the act. WHich is fine if that is what you want to do because the public demands it and you have to supply what the public demands. But you know what Lexus did? The decided to pick a front radiator grill that looks like a mold of the freaking Predator and decided to call it a day. Look at the rest of the LS - a flat slabbed design copied from the previous gen Mercedes S class. In fact, when the current LS debuted, it was boring, but at least cohesive. But in the mid-cycle refresh, Lexus corporate acquired this obsession that they want a corporate look like the German competitors. So tacked on the predator grill and called it a day. Look at the current Lexus LS being sold. Or the RS SUV. The **** grill looks like some after market accessory. They did practically nothing to the rest of the **** cars, except add more LEDs to the tail lights because they are all the rage. There is no way you can look at the LS or RX and tell me they represent a singular vision of what the car designers wants it to look like

Problem with Lexus is not that they copy, which they do. Problem is that they then take the basic theme they copied and tweak it just enough so it is not so obvious to the casual observer that it is a knock off. Unfortunately when they tweak, they don't tweak to improve or put any real thought why the original designer did what they did for that design. They take on design idea from here, another design idea from there and try to mash it all together. It's almost like they are throw $hit on the wall to see what sticks.

The result looks retarded! That IS headlight design is bad, and reflects no thought process behind it. This is my opinion, and you can disagree.

If you like the look, more power to you. I am not going to judge you or anyone for liking one design over another. Lexus, Audi, BMW, or whatever else. I am not saying anyone who buys a Lexus or BMW or whatever is one kind of person or another.

I am saying in my opinion the Lexus IS headlight cluster design is retarded.
lol..........
 
I just test drove a 2014 IS250 awd yesterday, and even though I'm not sure I'd go back to driving an automatic, I was more than pleasantly surprised. The base V6 didn't have enough grunt, but the overall driving experience was so good I think I could forgive the lack of power.

They didn't have any 350s on the lot, and being in MI they were all AWD models. The biggest complaint I have is that on the AWD model, the transmission has a bulge just before the gas pedal, which is REALLY intrusive and almost dangerous. I can't believe Toyota would allow this type of design to hit production level. The RWD models don't have this problem, but I just couldn't get past this HUGE design flaw. Can't imagine driving a car every day with my right calf resting on a hump ahead of the gas pedal.

Other than that, the car handled tight and acceleration was good despite the 200hp engine. Maybe in a few months when my lease is up I can try to squeeze a deal and take advantage of the holiday incentives.
 
Discussion starter · #71 ·
I just test drove a 2014 IS250 awd yesterday, and even though I'm not sure I'd go back to driving an automatic, I was more than pleasantly surprised. The base V6 didn't have enough grunt, but the overall driving experience was so good I think I could forgive the lack of power.

They didn't have any 350s on the lot, and being in MI they were all AWD models. The biggest complaint I have is that on the AWD model, the transmission has a bulge just before the gas pedal, which is REALLY intrusive and almost dangerous. I can't believe Toyota would allow this type of design to hit production level. The RWD models don't have this problem, but I just couldn't get past this HUGE design flaw. Can't imagine driving a car every day with my right calf resting on a hump ahead of the gas pedal.

Other than that, the car handled tight and acceleration was good despite the 200hp engine. Maybe in a few months when my lease is up I can try to squeeze a deal and take advantage of the holiday incentives.
Yeah, not only is the IS250 much less powerful, but it has a much less evolved 6 speed transmission (compared to the IS350's 8 speed). From what I know, even though the IS250 is solid, the two cars are almost night and day to how they drive.

For my money, if I'm considering an IS250 and I needed AWD, I'd probably settle for something a ton cheaper for the price.
 
The worst part I think is that only the IS350 RWD gets the 8 speed auto.
Even the IS350 AWD gets the old 6 speed auto. Horrible. There is no consistency in their line up.
 
Discussion starter · #73 · (Edited)
The worst part I think is that only the IS350 RWD gets the 8 speed auto.
Even the IS350 AWD gets the old 6 speed auto. Horrible. There is no consistency in their line up.
Oh, I totally agree.

To be honest, if they offered the IS350 F Sport AWD with that smooth and fast 8 speed transmission (which I bet they could figure out to put in their 2015 or 2016 models), I wouldn't bother looking at any other car. It's that good.
 
Oh, I totally agree.

To be honest, if they offered the IS350 F Sport AWD with that smooth and fast 8 speed transmission (which I bet they could figure out to put in their 2015 or 2016 models), I wouldn't bother looking at any other car. It's that good.
But then you would have to deal with that crammed and so so interior.
 
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But then you would have to deal with that crammed and so so interior.
What's to deal with?

I never said the interior was crammed and/or that the interior is so-so. Are you trying to misconstrue what I've said and mix them in with opinions of your own? :p


and if you took it that way, I say that to say this---there's no perfect car. A perfect car only exists in the eyes and the preferences of the driver. Some people like big, open-spaced cars because they have claustrophobic tendencies. Some people like snug, smaller cars because they want to feel connected to the car as much as possible. It's hard to say which choice is better.

Some people like shiny wood and leather in their car because it reminds them of an simpler and more older generation of cars and other people like carbon fiber and hard plastics because it makes them feel like they're race car driver. It's hard to say which choice is better.
 
What's to deal with?
I never said the interior was crammed and I never said the interior is so-so. Are you trying to misconstrue what I've said and mix them in with your own opinions? :p



and if you took it that way, I say that to say this---there's no perfect car. A perfect car only exists in the eyes and the preferences of the driver. Some people like big, open-spaced cars because they have claustrophobic tendencies. Some people like snug, smaller cars because they want to feel connected to the car as much as possible. It's hard to say which choice is better.

Some people like shiny wood and leather in their car because it reminds them of an simpler and more older generation of cars and other people like carbon fiber and hard plastics because it makes them feel like they're race car driver. It's hard to say which choice is better.
I was joking.
 
This is a little OT, but I found some sweet real life random photos of the IS350 F-Sport that I thought looked great:

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I still can't get by the totally discombobulated, fan-boy, out of sync, thrown together look of the interior. It just looks like something copied from a cheap sub-compact from the 60's and 70's.
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Not to mention the maw at the nose. Just my opinion, and I know that I am
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The interior on the IS350 is weak for sure.

I think they really cheapened the interior by making the buttons so small and using this very generic plastic.

And what is with the navigation screen being so small? There is a HUGE bezel around the screen which is totally unnecessary when we know they can put in HUGE screens like the one in the GS.
 
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