[Truth]

2013 BMW 335i xDrive First Test - Motor Trend

That has the M performance kit. Even though the kit is only 1100. That car is 62k. You can get an M3 for that price.

 

[hunter81]

F30 335 gets to 60 in 4.4 sec with a 13.0 1/4 mile. Whereas according to Motor Trend and Infiniti USA the Q50 Hybrid does 0-60 in 4.9 sec. and 13.7 on the 1/4 mile. So not sure how you've concluded that the Q50 Hybrid is quicker than the F30 335xi

Launching, which is especially effective with AWD cars. You can get in the mid-fours with an S4 as well. Doesn't mean they win the race. Also, the stuff I wrote.

 

[BNB-Ryan]

Clearly, if you want only acceleration and performance, go with a 335i and add a tune. No contest. The Q50 is fast, very fast, but if you are interested in street racing everyone, it's not the right car.

 

[hunter81]

Clearly, if you want only acceleration and performance, go with a 335i and add a tune. No contest. The Q50 is fast, very fast, but if you are interested in street racing everyone, it's not the right car.

A LaFerrari is the right car. Even a Porsche 918 cannot compare to it once they are rolling despite having the lower 0-60. If you want to tell someone in a Q50 they are wasting their time you might as well tell someone in a tuned 335i because neither one of them are going to hold up to a lot of cars on the road today. Or, just let people enjoy their cars and have their fun.

 

[BNB-Ryan]

A LaFerrari is the right car. Even a Porsche 918 cannot compare to it once they are rolling despite having the lower 0-60. If you want to tell someone in a Q50 they are wasting their time you might as well tell someone in a tuned 335i because neither one of them are going to hold up to a lot of cars on the road today. Or, just let people enjoy their cars and have their fun.

Hurt your feelings?

We are talking about 2 competing cars in the same segment. One is clearly going to be the faster vehicle and offer better performance, and that is the 335i. Not sure why you would bring a $900k Porsche into the discussion other than acting entirely childish.

I own a Q50S, I would take it over the 335i any day. But I don't care about being the faster car in this segment. If you want the faster car, get the 335i, if you want the better car with more technology, get the Q50. That's the point.

 

[hunter81]

Hurt your feelings?

We are talking about 2 competing cars in the same segment. One is clearly going to be the faster vehicle and offer better performance, and that is the 335i. Not sure why you would bring a $900k Porsche into the discussion other than acting entirely childish.

I own a Q50S, I would take it over the 335i any day. But I don't care about being the faster car in this segment. If you want the faster car, get the 335i, if you want the better car with more technology, get the Q50. That's the point.

I enjoy the car very much for its speed along with its other amenities. There are plenty of cars out there that are faster than both us and a tuned 335i or even an M3, and there are plenty of cars still considered fast that would be slower in an assortment of segments all of which can be raced on a street.

My point is that it's silly to say any of these cars are not "the right car" for street racing.

You don't have to peddle how much you'd still take your Q50 over a 335i any day in response or claim I'm childish because I thought your comment was strange.

 

[hunter81]

Hurt your feelings?

There are some people on here who maybe could hurt my feelings if they wanted to because I enjoy their knowledge and writing enough to care a little about what they think.

 

[hunter81]

Anyways, @335iVlad, posting the article about the xDrive does bring up a good point even if it has an extra 20 hp over a regular 335i due to the M Performance Package. Even the regular xDrive BMW's list faster 0-60 times than the RWD versions, but I'm pretty sure that's just due to the AWD being able to get more traction at launch. Gearing and engines being the same, I would expect the xDrives to be a hair slower in rolling acceleration due to the extra weight. Another good example on why you should look at more than 0-60 is the 328i. It has a great 0-60 of 5.6 seconds, but it sure can't hang with other 5.6ish second cars like the IS 350 or ATS 3.6. Just look at it's rolling start, 60-100, and 1/4 trap speeds. @pneks2001 posting about a comparison with the hybrid got it in my head you were considering the hybrid, which is why I went into detail on my own acceleration experience with the car, but looking at your posts it looks like you are considering the 3.7 so it may not be relevant.

Regarding the hybrid, the consensus here for a while has pretty much been that the hybrid is faster than a 335i based off other members' experiences and my own and that wasn't always the case. It changed as more testimony came rolling in from people who were regular quality posters. The comparison comes from the 335i being a gold standard in acceleration for so long back when you didn't have hybrid Infiniti and 3.0tt C class.

Again, this is against the stock 335i. A tuned one will obviously be a different story. It would be interesting to see a comparison though.

Personally, I think the hybrid is a fantastic car to have a little street racing fun in and before anyone chides me on that being illegal, let's get real. We've all probably done it and the Republican candidates have probably all smoked marijuana.

I hope the info is helpful. Again, I somehow started thinking you were considering the hybrid, although it looks like you are going for the 3.7. If you haven't considered the hybrid, though, go give it a test drive.

 

[hunter81]

One other thing, some members on here have actually had quite a bit of success with the 3.7 at drag strips. The best time I have seen on a slip was in the 13.2's. That of course is with launches that went well.

 

[335iVlad]

Anyways, @335iVlad, posting the article about the xDrive does bring up a good point even if it has an extra 20 hp over a regular 335i due to the M Performance Package. Even the regular xDrive BMW's list faster 0-60 times than the RWD versions, but I'm pretty sure that's just due to the AWD being able to get more traction at launch. Gearing and engines being the same, I would expect the xDrives to be a hair slower in rolling acceleration due to the extra weight. Another good example on why you should look at more than 0-60 is the 328i. It has a great 0-60 of 5.6 seconds, but it sure can't hang with other 5.6ish second cars like the IS 350 or ATS 3.6. Just look at it's rolling start, 60-100, and 1/4 trap speeds. @pneks2001 posting about a comparison with the hybrid got it in my head you were considering the hybrid, which is why I went into detail on my own acceleration experience with the car, but looking at your posts it looks like you are considering the 3.7 so it may not be relevant.

Regarding the hybrid, the consensus here for a while has pretty much been that the hybrid is faster than a 335i based off other members' experiences and my own and that wasn't always the case. It changed as more testimony came rolling in from people who were regular quality posters. The comparison comes from the 335i being a gold standard in acceleration for so long back when you didn't have hybrid Infiniti and 3.0tt C class.

Again, this is against the stock 335i. A tuned one will obviously be a different story. It would be interesting to see a comparison though.

Personally, I think the hybrid is a fantastic car to have a little street racing fun in and before anyone chides me on that being illegal, let's get real. We've all probably done it and the Republican candidates have probably all smoked marijuana.

I hope the info is helpful. Again, I somehow started thinking you were considering the hybrid, although it looks like you are going for the 3.7. If you haven't considered the hybrid, though, go give it a test drive.

Definitely lots of great info. The reason why I brought up the 335xi F30 is because I am getting similar prices on both the Q50S and the 335, hence the comparison. No question the 335i is more of a drivers cars, in terms of speed, handling, transmission, and overall feel. But the Q50S definitely has the nicer looking interior, and comfort factor.

 

[hunter81]

Definitely lots of great info. The reason why I brought up the 335xi F30 is because I am getting similar prices on both the Q50S and the 335, hence the comparison. No question the 335i is more of a drivers cars, in terms of speed, handling, transmission, and overall feel. But the Q50S definitely has the nicer looking interior, and comfort factor.

Either way you can't go wrong. There's a parallel universe out there where I am in a 335i, hopefully Dinan tuned, right now.

 

[Truth]

Off topic but today a guy in an M4 Coupe wanted to race me. I felt helpless. lol

 

[hunter81]

Off topic but today a guy in an M4 Coupe wanted to race me. I felt helpless. lol

Did you? I don't mind going against cars that I know are superior because it still lets me see how my car stacks up.

If I could have any car under $100,000 right now it'd probably be an M4.

 

[Truth]

Did you? I don't mind going against cars that I know are superior because it still lets me see how my car stacks up.

If I could have any car under $100,000 right now it'd probably be an M4.

Naw it was on a pretty busy highway so I'm not sure what he was thinking? I'm not about to be weaving in and out of traffic. Plenty of M3's and M4's around here I'm sure i'll have my chance to race another one.

 

[BNB-Ryan]

Not sure I'd even bother running an M3 or M4. It wouldn't even be close.

 

[BNB-Ryan]

I enjoy the car very much for its speed along with its other amenities. There are plenty of cars out there that are faster than both us and a tuned 335i or even an M3, and there are plenty of cars still considered fast that would be slower in an assortment of segments all of which can be raced on a street.

My point is that it's silly to say any of these cars are not "the right car" for street racing.

You don't have to peddle how much you'd still take your Q50 over a 335i any day in response or claim I'm childish because I thought your comment was strange.

I very clearly said, in a direct comparison, if you are more interested in performance and street racing, then clearly the 335i is the better choice. Stock it's as fast or faster, and a very cheap tune makes it far faster. That's not really disputable. I never said or implied that the Q50 is slow or incapable of being a good car for some fun races here and there, just that if performance is your main goal, and if deciding between a Q50 and 335i, then the BMW is the obvious choice.

I have tracked the Q50 and got beat pretty good by a couple of bone stock 335i's. Both drivers were first time out and beginners as well. The Q50 was a still a blast, but that doesn't mean I'd take the Q50 if performance and tracking my daily driver was my goal.

To that, you responded with something about a $900k Porsche. Sorry you can't see how that line of reasoning is childish. By the way, if I could have any car under $100k right now, which I can, I would still buy a loaded Q50S. Other than pure performance, I haven't driven or seen another car under $100k that I like better. And for performance, I have my M3 anyways and there are very few cars on the road that are faster.

 

[335iVlad]

Off topic but today a guy in an M4 Coupe wanted to race me. I felt helpless. lol

Lol a lot of cars are helpless next to an M4. My 335i is tuned with a stage 3 JB4 and bolt ons, I wouldn't bother running an M4 lol. Thing is a rocket, I can only imagine one of those with a tune.

 

[BNB-Ryan]

Lol a lot of cars are helpless next to an M4. My 335i is tuned with a stage 3 JB4 and bolt ons, I wouldn't bother running an M4 lol. Thing is a rocket, I can only imagine one of those with a tune.

They aren't making the kind of power out of tunes as the 335i - just not as much room to improve it. I've run an M4 with a tune in my M3, it's definitely fast as ****. I beat it pretty good though. They need a lot of extras like race gas just to get the most from the tunes.

 

[hunter81]

I very clearly said, in a direct comparison, if you are more interested in performance and street racing, then clearly the 335i is the better choice. Stock it's as fast or faster, and a very cheap tune makes it far faster. That's not really disputable. I never said or implied that the Q50 is slow or incapable of being a good car for some fun races here and there, just that if performance is your main goal, and if deciding between a Q50 and 335i, then the BMW is the obvious choice.

I have tracked the Q50 and got beat pretty good by a couple of bone stock 335i's. Both drivers were first time out and beginners as well. The Q50 was a still a blast, but that doesn't mean I'd take the Q50 if performance and tracking my daily driver was my goal.

To that, you responded with something about a $900k Porsche. Sorry you can't see how that line of reasoning is childish. By the way, if I could have any car under $100k right now, which I can, I would still buy a loaded Q50S. Other than pure performance, I haven't driven or seen another car under $100k that I like better. And for performance, I have my M3 anyways and there are very few cars on the road that are faster.

I was really just responding to your comment about the Q50 being the wrong car and making a point that none of these cars is the wrong car for having competitive fun with a friend.

I brought up the Porsche and Ferrari for two reasons. One was to point out how saying the Q50 isn't the right car doesn't make sense to me when the 335i and Q50 are so close to each other in performance compared to a lot of cars on the road of varying price ranges. The other reason is because the difference between the Porsche and the Ferrari's acceleration is another good example of 0-60 just being one way to look at a car's performance ability, which was what I was originally trying to tell the OP about. I think the Porsche has gotten something like a 2.2 second 0-60 time and the LaFerrari is slower than that. At the same time the LaFerrari is the faster car overall. I don't feel like looking up the stats right now, but I seem to remember the the LaFerrari has better 60-100, 100-140, etc. performance. It's just the faster car other than apparently being slower to launch.

See, what you thought was a childish post actually had some adult thought behind it and was directed at both you and the OP's comments and questions.

You can think I'm childish and post any derogatory names about how you interpret my behavior in my posts all you want. Be "sorry" I "can't see" why you think I'm childish all you want. I truly do not care and suggested earlier that I don't care what you think about me or what I write.

To be blunt, your posts have never had any value for me and I don't remember ever learning any new information from them the way I have from some of the really knowledgeable people here on a variety of topics going beyond cars. Your posts now containing derogatory comments about my personality because I didn't agree with something you said says more about you than me, but is inconsequential to what I learn from the people here who are capable of making me stop and think about things with what they write. I value those people and what they think.

 

[BNB-Ryan]

I was really just responding to your comment about the Q50 being the wrong car and making a point that none of these cars is the wrong car for having competitive fun with a friend.

I brought up the Porsche and Ferrari for two reasons. One was to point out how saying the Q50 isn't the right car doesn't make sense to me when the 335i and Q50 are so close to each other in performance compared to a lot of cars on the road of varying price ranges. The other reason is because the difference between the Porsche and the Ferrari's acceleration is another good example of 0-60 just being one way to look at a car's performance ability, which was what I was originally trying to tell the OP about. I think the Porsche has gotten something like a 2.2 second 0-60 time and the LaFerrari is slower than that. At the same time the LaFerrari is the faster car overall. I don't feel like looking up the stats right now, but I seem to remember the the LaFerrari has better 60-100, 100-140, etc. performance. It's just the faster car other than apparently being slower to launch.

See, what you thought was a childish post actually had some adult thought behind it and was directed at both you and the OP's comments and questions.

You can think I'm childish and post any derogatory names about how you interpret my behavior in my posts all you want. Be "sorry" I "can't see" why you think I'm childish all you want. I truly do not care and suggested earlier that I don't care what you think about me or what I write.

To be blunt, your posts have never had any value for me and I don't remember ever learning any new information from them the way I have from some of the really knowledgeable people here on a variety of topics going beyond cars. Your posts now containing derogatory comments about my personality because I didn't agree with something you said says more about you than me, but is inconsequential to what I learn from the people here who are capable of making me stop and think about things with what they write. I value those people and what they think.

My posts have never been intended to teach you anything. Silly street racing posts are a bit inconsequential to me, so we can call that even. Considering this forum is about dead at this point... I guess nobody really cares what either of us have to say.

It's kind of funny that you still can't see how your reasoning isn't far off from what I would expect from my 3 year old. But so be it. My post was clearly written as a comparison between the two cars, and if one aspect is more important to a buyer, than that car may be the better choice. You took that out of context then went into left field to make useless points, and you are doubling down on it now. But no worry, I'm enjoying the comedy. You may not care much for my posts, which add no value... darn... but I'm certainly enjoying yours. So keep it going.

We need all the entertainment we can get around here.